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If you are thinking about buying an electric vehicle, the clock is now ticking. President Donald Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill” has officially passed Congress, and with it, a countdown that will kill the popular $7,500 federal tax credit for new electric vehicles.
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The reality is that the market for EVs is very small. The utility of EVs is very limited. AND... if you have to mandate or incentivize the sales (with huge tax credits), then the product is not inherently marketable or desirable. A good product, in a FREE MARKET, sells itself. Period.

Anyhoo... here's the article:

gizmodo.com

The Great American EV Fire Sale Is About to Begin

President Trump’s “One Big Beautiful Bill” just wiped out key clean energy subsidies. If you want that $7,500 EV discount, act fast.
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Mind you, it is readily apparent that Gizmodo is a liberal magazine... "Clean energy???" No such thing, idiots.

The bad news for clean energy does not stop there. The 30% tax credit for rooftop solar installations is now set to end on December 31, 2025, as are incentives for geothermal heat pumps and other home energy devices.
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Boohooo!

The new law also dismantles the regulatory framework that has pushed automakers to produce more electric vehicles. It effectively guts the federal Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards by reducing the penalties for noncompliance to zero. Previously, automakers who failed to meet fuel efficiency targets had to pay steep fines or buy regulatory credits from more efficient companies like Tesla. Now, that financial pressure is gone.
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Boohooo! I mean HOORAY! This is the BEST news! Now car makers can make models enthusiasts WANT. My beloved Subaru STI was discontinued because of the CAFE standards. The gas mileage of the STI dragged down the "fleet efficiency average" too much. So, they took it off the market. It was the most fun car I've ever driven... not just owned... driven. I've driven (but not owned) some amazing cars including Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, McLaren, Lotus. The STI is more fun than any of those... I'm not kidding. I beat on my STI like a rented mule. Hundreds of laps on the track. And it was my daily "hockey dad" driver, too.

Maybe... just maaaaaaaaaaybe, we'll see some fun cars come back!

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If they came out with a new STI that isn't dumbed down (and weighed down) with amenities and luxuries... a true driver's car like the first one.... I'd be all in!

But for the average person, the message is much simpler: the era of federally subsidized electric vehicles is coming to a very abrupt end.
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Awesome news. Truly. They never should have been subsidized in the first place.

Bonus: Make liberals cry!
 
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I love a bargain. My next car purchase is an EV.

In Norway, 89% of all new cars sold are EVs. It's cold there. They don't care who doesn't like batteries.

Or everyone is Norway is stupid. Which seems unlikely.

Norway has a lot of oil. Major producer. 60% of their exports. A 100 billion dollar business. Yet they are going "e".

Norway is also the worlds #1 producer of tall, leggy blondes.

We should be more like Norway.
 
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Bongo Lewi said:
In Norway, 89% of all new cars sold are EVs. It's cold there. They don't care who doesn't like batteries.

Or everyone is Norway is stupid. Which seems unlikely.
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The average tax rate is between 25 - 35%. High earners pay up to 47% in income tax.

The high (EV) adoption rate—88.9% of new passenger cars sold in 2024 being fully electric—is driven by strong incentives, not a legal mandate. Norway’s government has implemented policies like tax exemptions, reduced tolls, free parking, and access to bus lanes for EVs, making them financially attractive. The country set a target for all new cars sold to be zero-emission (electric or hydrogen) by 2025.

Also... Norway generates the vast majority of its electricity with hydro power. That's relatively unique and facilitates a conversion to EVs. Of course that's not applicable to the US.

Also... Norway has under 6 million people total. Small country (with compliant culture) = easier to implement such things. USA... not so much.

With tax rates that high, I suspect the incentives will run out. And if theoretically, the rest of the world went "electric" like Norway... Norway would have no customers for their oil. Rut-roh!

And I definitely don't want to be anything like Norway. I find it amusing when Americans suggest we should be more like European (or other) countries. Go live there... and you can be JUST like them. Let us know how that goes.
 
Racer88 said:
"Clean energy???" No such thing, idiots.
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The entrance to the Orlando range I go requires crossing a pair of train tracks that will occasionally have a train bringing coal to a powerplant nearby. Maybe 30 hopper cars long? The big joke is "there goes more EV fuel". :)
 
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Latest Sales Data Reveal Clear Winners And Losers in a Messy EV Market

Electric vehicle sales were all over the map in Q2. One automaker soared. The others? Not so much.
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To me, there is no mystery at all about why EV sales (for most brands) are down. The relatively small market for EVs is satiated. The very limited utility of EVs is a major disadvantage for a very expensive car. They will always be a niche product for a niche market.
 
Racer88 said:
I find it amusing when Americans suggest we should be more like European (or other) countries.
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No kidding, we fought one war to escape their rule and at least two to avoid "them" taking us over again.
 
Drove an EV for a week and I didn't hate it. Did it make me go want one? Nope! It doesn't fit my driving needs as the range was not enough and the refills are not fast enough. Get the range much higher, refills much faster, and the number of charging locations to equal that of gas stations and I wouldn't shun them. Even if you did all that, I wouldn't rush out to buy one.

I do believe the EV market is going to crash once all the subsidies and mandates are removed. There will always be those that feel they are doing something great for the world and, by driving one, make themselves feel morally superior. Most don't understand they are driving around hazardous waste and are creating a real end of life issue for the environment.
 
FrankenGlock said:
Most don't understand they are driving around hazardous waste and are creating a real end of life issue for the environment.
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Most also don't understand that 60% of the electricity used to charge those batteries is generated by burning coal and natural gas. They are not "zero emissions." They just moved the exhaust pipe to another location out of sight. The entire "green" concept is an absolute farce. There is literally no such thing as "clean energy." Energy comes with a price, one way or another. That's not opinion. It's the Laws of Physics.

Be that as it may... EVs simply do not meet the needs of many (most) Americans. I can pull off on ANY exit of ANY highway and find at least one, and usually three or four gas stations, each with a dozen or more pumps and NO WAIT for an available pump. I can gas up in THREE minutes and be back on the road for another 400 - 500 miles. Rinse and repeat.

Finding a charging station is quite another matter. And when you do find one, there will likely be a wait (a line of cars) to even get to one.... that's working (many of them are often reported out of order). And then, of course, there is the long wait for the actual charge. "Oh but it's only 20 minutes for a 'fast charge'," they'll argue. Yep... for a partial charge with an even more limited range. 20 minutes of "fast" charging (from 10% to 80%) to go 100 - 200 miles??? LOL! Rinse and repeat.... NO THANKS. Fuck that shit.

I have a car for convenience... not INconvenience. When I travel (short or long distance) in my gas car, I don't even have to think about fuel availability or location, nor do I have to worry my pretty little head about range. It doesn't even cross my mind.
 
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Racer88 said:
The average tax rate is between 25 - 35%. High earners pay up to 47% in income tax.

The high (EV) adoption rate—88.9% of new passenger cars sold in 2024 being fully electric—is driven by strong incentives, not a legal mandate. Norway’s government has implemented policies like tax exemptions, reduced tolls, free parking, and access to bus lanes for EVs, making them financially attractive. The country set a target for all new cars sold to be zero-emission (electric or hydrogen) by 2025.

Also... Norway generates the vast majority of its electricity with hydro power. That's relatively unique and facilitates a conversion to EVs. Of course that's not applicable to the US.

Also... Norway has under 6 million people total. Small country (with compliant culture) = easier to implement such things. USA... not so much.

With tax rates that high, I suspect the incentives will run out. And if theoretically, the rest of the world went "electric" like Norway... Norway would have no customers for their oil. Rut-roh!

And I definitely don't want to be anything like Norway. I find it amusing when Americans suggest we should be more like European (or other) countries. Go live there... and you can be JUST like them. Let us know how that goes.
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You have to balance the tax rates with what they don’t pay for out of pocket. A convenient dodge a lot of master debaters use.

It’s funny how many crow about high taxes in other countries, yet they pay thru the ass for everything in return for a lower tax rate. That works great for those who grow their own food, raise cattle and chickens, are healthy and ride a bicycle to work on unpaved trails and ford streams to avoid bridges. Add up all the taxes we pay- state, local, fed. Then fuel and road taxes. All other taxes. It’s not that far from what citizens of those high taxes countries pay. Except UK. They are literally picking the pockets of their citizens.

I’ve been to Northern Europe quite a few times.

Yep. Majority of power is hydro . Because they have a lot of rivers and Mountains. Not like the US, which has no mountains or rivers. 10% in Norway is wind. Wind doesn’t work in the US because it’s not windy enough. Ask anybody.

The cost of charging an EV is much lower than gasoline. Unless you live in an area that overprices electric service. So if you are one of the dumbfucks overpaying for electric power, don't buy an EV.

I'll say it again ... Thepower companies don't turn off the power plants when demand decreases. Jesus. The coal is going to get burned no matter if you and all your neighbors drive an EV or not. So if you aren't burning any gasoline, thus no tailpipe emissions. That's a net reduction in CO2 and other shit that comes out the other end of an ICE. Does the CO2 a car produces matter? Who gives a fuck. You never have to buy gasoline and the maintenance is close to zero. That's why I'm buying one.
 
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Personally I could give a rip about climate change. My advice is don't live in a place that floods or is too arid to grow anything or be decent pasture land. Or STFU because I'm not listening to climate change deniers or whiners. Dont care. I just want a gasoline and motor oil - free car that has 1/3 the number of parts that can fail or wear out. And is whistle clean, makes no sound. Drives itself.

The last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago. Before that half the Earth was covered in ice for quite a long time. Then it thawed out. Nobody was burning coal or oil then.

Climate change or if planet of the apes happens, I will be prepared with guns, ammo, and bananas. The monkeys can have it either way.

Whatever happens, I just go with the flow.
 
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Bongo Lewi said:
Personally I could give a rip about climate change. My advice is don't live in a place that floods or is too arid to grow anything or be decent pasture land. Or STFU because I'm not listening to climate change deniers or whiners. Dont care. I just want a gasoline and motor oil - free car that has 1/3 the number of parts that can fail or wear out. And is whistle clean, makes no sound. Drives itself.

The last ice age ended about 10,000 years ago. Before that half the Earth was covered in ice for quite a long time. Then it thawed out. Nobody was burning coal or oil then.

Climate change or if planet of the apes happens, I will be prepared with guns, ammo, and bananas. The monkeys can have it either way.

Whatever happens, I just go with the flow.
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I care about "climate change" when the gov't is enacting laws, restrictions, bans, mandated purchases, and taxes based on this HOAX.
 
This video just came up in my X feed. From Australia. A perfect example of calling out activists who have NO FUCKING CLUE what they're talking about. They're just MINDLESSLY regurgitating the narrative under the GUISE of "science" because they were told it was "science." But they can't answer the simplest questions about the actual science.

Again.... it matters because they're forcing us to PAY MONEY for it.


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Racer88 said:
I care about "climate change" when the gov't is enacting laws, restrictions, bans, mandated purchases, and taxes based on this HOAX.
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It has and will continue to cost me nothing. Hasn't changed my life one iota. Don't care. I defy anyone to tell me exactly how much carbon tax or whatever has cost them in dollars or cents. Them personally. It's all bullshit.

Some states pledged that lotto or lottery ticket revenue would support schools and social services. Also bullshit. Where does the money really go? Again, I don't give a shit because I don't buy lottery tickets like millions of fucking morons hoping they win when the odds are higher than surviving a plane crash then being hit by lightning as you exit the wreckage.
 
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Bongo Lewi said:
It has and will continue to cost me nothing. Hasn't changed my life one iota. Don't care. I defy anyone to tell me exactly how much carbon tax or whatever has cost them in dollars or cents. Them personally. It's all bullshit.

Some states pledged that lotto or lottery ticket revenue would support schools and social services. Also bullshit. Where does the money really go? Again, I don't give a shit because I don't buy lottery tickets like millions of fucking morons hoping they win when the odds are higher than surviving a plane crash then being hit by lightning as you exit the wreckage.
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The carbon tax is a scam that we pay indirectly. Corporations have to pay it, right? They pass that on to consumers, no doubt.

Mandating EVs is another way we would have to pay. If you HAVE to buy a product, then the purveyors of said product can literally name their price. Not a Free Market. When it's not a Free Market, you are absolutely paying more. To think otherwise is naive.

Thankfully, the current administration got rid of those mandates.... for now.
 
NavyVette said:
Not to mention we pay more in taxes so the people buying green new scam products get a fat tax deduction.
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Exactly. Who is paying for those EV tax CREDITS?!?? We non-EV-buyers are!
 
Bongo Lewi said:
It has and will continue to cost me nothing. Hasn't changed my life one iota. Don't care. I defy anyone to tell me exactly how much carbon tax or whatever has cost them in dollars or cents. Them personally. It's all bullshit.

Some states pledged that lotto or lottery ticket revenue would support schools and social services. Also bullshit. Where does the money really go? Again, I don't give a shit because I don't buy lottery tickets like millions of fucking morons hoping they win when the odds are higher than surviving a plane crash then being hit by lightning as you exit the wreckage.
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