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This is all accounting mumbo jumbo.

It's true carmakers overestimated the sales of EVs - especially in the US - because they expected Biden to win.

Now they are writing down the cost of all the EV engineering and manufacturing. Carmakers all got tax breaks for doing that so this 'loss' is a lot of accounting smoke and mirrors. It also gives them even more tax relief.

For the thousandth time, a write down is not a write off. It means they made an investment that did not break even or do better than breaking even. It doesnt mean what they invested in is worthless. This is bullshit being spred by nitwits who ditched accounting 101 and the car media sensationalizes it to get eyeballs and clicks. It's all about headlines. Readers of car blogs and magazines love gasoline powered cars. It gives them a boner to hear electrics are failing. Dont buy the bullshit. The die is cast for the inevitable transition to EV. Believing ICE is the future is like praying for steam to make a comeback.

I have no problem with gas huffers enjoying the bullshit and eating it up. It amuses me. The car media always speaks the truth. Not like all other media. Uh huh.

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I like gasoiline and potted meat on my biscuits. With some mustard. Um hmmm.
 
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This is all accounting mumbo jumbo.

It's true carmakers overestimated the sales of EVs - especially in the US - because they expected Biden to win.

Now they are writing down the cost of all the EV engineering and manufacturing. Carmakers all got tax breaks for doing that so this 'loss' is a lot of accounting smoke and mirrors. It also gives them even more tax relief.

For the thousandth time, a write down is not a write off. It means they made an investment that did not break even or do better than breaking even. It doesnt mean what they invested in is worthless. This is bullshit being spred by nitwits who ditched accounting 101 and the car media sensationalizes it to get eyeballs and clicks. It's all about headlines. Readers of car blogs and magazines love gasoline powered cars. It gives them a boner to hear electrics are failing. Dont buy the bullshit. The die is cast for the inevitable transition to EV. Believing ICE is the future is like praying for steam to make a comeback.

I have no problem with gas huffers enjoying the bullshit and eating it up. It amuses me. The car media always speaks the truth. Not like all other media. Uh huh.

wahlburgers GIF


I like gasoiline and potted meat on my biscuits. With some mustard. Um hmmm.


They LOST money. You can call it "accounting mumbo jumbo" (LOL!) all you want to confirm your own bias. But the REALITY from MANY MANY reliable sources is that they've lost fucking HUGE money on this gamble, and that's why MANY car companies are SCALING BACK on the EV side of the business. They've admitted it outright. Officially reported it, because they HAVE to. You're calling it "mumbo-jumbo," because it doesn't support your position.

I actually don't care. I don't have stock in auto companies. And I have no plans to ever buy an EV. Why would I care? What IS amusing is the fanbois in denial that their utopia is nothing more than delusion. And it sucks, because they bought into the idea big time. They're committed to it socially. And they don't want to admit they were fooled and they are wrong.

ICE is here to STAY. And I mean for a very VERY long time. EVs will also be around. They have their place in the market. But ICE is going nowhere.
 
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They LOST money. You can call it "accounting mumbo jumbo" (LOL!) all you want to confirm your own bias. But the REALITY from MANY MANY reliable sources is that they've lost fucking HUGE money on this gamble, and that's why MANY car companies are SCALING BACK on the EV side of the business. They've admitted it outright. Officially reported it, because they HAVE to. You're calling it "mumbo-jumbo," because it doesn't support your position.

I actually don't care. I don't have stock in auto companies. And I have no plans to ever buy an EV. Why would I care? What IS amusing is the fanbois in denial that their utopia is nothing more than delusion. And it sucks, because they bought into the idea big time. They're committed to it socially. And they don't want to admit they were fooled and they are wrong.
Racing loses money. R&D loses money. Carmakers spend a lot on both. It's not news. Unless you hate racing or science.

A write-down is recorded on a company's books as an adjustment to the existing inventory. A credit is applied to the equipment or whatever the inventory item is, and the total value is reduced accordingly.

Here's another nugget left out of these I hate EVs articles: Biden-era Feds and states gave subsidies to carmakers to build EVs for Biden's entire term. It's in the billions. You know where that shows up? Last year's balance sheet. And the year or two before that are listed in the chart of accounts as income for those fiscal years. Not 2025 or 26.

Automotive bloggers and print pundits should stick to cars and not pretend they are CPAs.

All these 'losses' are connected with people costs, equipment, facilities. The assets are still on the books. Let's use the manufacturing of batteries as an example. They took the write down so all of the IP they developed. And the adjustment of the value of the physical assets reduces their earnings. Thus lowers taxes. Two years from now when they are making batteries in larger quantities, the value of the equipment, facilities, etc is largely already paid for. They havent lost anything. It's just an investment that's taking more than a fiscal year to pay off. So they say they are having a bad year because their sales forecast for 2025 was wrong. When sales pick up in a year or two, they arent starting from zero. They are starting at the 20 yard line to the goalpost and it's only second down.

It took almost two years for Ford to design and build the first Mustang. Guess what that means. They lost money for almost two years on the Mustang. And that didnt require all new technology. Just tooling. And Iacocca navigating the lumbering Ford bureaucracy.

Aviation is littered with planes that were pushing the limits of the technology in their day. Most of them didnt make it. Wars ended, wars began, civilian aviation began and the state of the art was perpetually changing. Bottom line: Lots of write downs. It doesn't mean fuck all. The technology still advances and change is perpetual. There are still planes with propellers and piston engines. But they are no longer commercially viable. A few remain in the margins. Their time has come and gone. Just like ICE cars and trucks are about to begin their plunge into obsolescence in the next few years.

ICE technology has nowhere to go. It's peaked. This is classic lifecycle engineering. Also life cycle assessment and life cycle costing is chapter and verse in every engineering curriculum. There's nowhere to go but down for the gasoline engine. You gotta be a Luddite to not accept it.

BTW: The Luddties were rounded up and sent to penal colonies. :)
 
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No. They didn't say the R&D department lost money. The COMPANY lost money. Profit / Loss report refers to the ENTIRE company. Puhleeze, dude. We're not that stupid here.
 
No. They didn't say the R&D department lost money. The COMPANY lost money. Profit / Loss report refers to the ENTIRE company. Puhleeze, dude. We're not that stupid here.
I think you misunderstood what I wrote. The simple explanation is …

Billions were given to them in previous years for EV development. That faucet has been turned off and that free money doesn’t factor into the most recent earnings reports.

I read the Stellantis financials. The headline figure is a 26 billion deficit, marking the group’s first-ever annual loss. No debate.

That swing looks even worse when set against 2024’s $5.8 billion profit, which was already down 70% compared to 2023. In the span of two years, the company has gone from profitable to deep in the red. The story that EVs are sinking the company is utter bullshit. It’s way more complicated than that.

They aren’t making money on the manufacturing capacity they built out. Thus the write downs. Sone of which was paid for with subsidies and tax breaks in the past 2-3 years. From an accounting perspective for the most recent fiscal year that doesn’t matter. The pandering article leaves all of that out.

EVs are not the only reason they failed to meet earnings. The reason EVs are a burden is they have built up manufacturing capacity and seen low demand. And now the subsidies have been eliminated. It’s more about poor management than EVs.

Then there’s tariffs. Stellantis is not an American company. The bottom line is sales have been slipping for three years. EVs are a convenient scapegoat.
 
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Billions were given to them in previous years for EV development. That faucet has been turned off and that free money doesn’t factor into the most recent earnings reports.

So, without subsidies (paid by US!), EVs are simply not feasible by any measure. I agree with you on that!
 
I’d call it poor marketing and bad leadership. Stellantis executive suite needs an enema.

We can disagree on EV growth. I’m not going to gloat too much when they dominate.
 
More on Stellatis. The CEO just got booted.

Stellantis has lost almost €70bn (US$83bn) in market value since March 2024 following a inventory crisis in North America, described by dealers in catastrophic terms. A mixture of pricing and weak demand has left dealership lots overflowing with unsold vehicles. The company’s US market share has slumped to around 8% from 12.5% in 2020, culminating in Tavares’ abrupt resignation in December 2024 after dealer groups and labour unions accused him of destroying American brands through short-term cost-cutting.

Moody’s and S&P Global downgraded Stellantis to their lowest investment grades on 10 February, placing the automaker just one notch above the junk bond status designated to Nissan last year.

There are an estimated 100,000 unsold luxury SUV Wagoneers on U.S. dealers lots. It was estimated in Q4 2025 that there were 2.3 million unsold vehicles on dealer lots in the US: Dodge, RAM, Jeep, Chrysler. Alfa, Fiat and other European brands are also experiencing decreasing sales volume.


EVs are only part of their problem. They have too many brands and none of them are selling well. Not to mention the cars are shit. Reliability issues abound. I'm a Jeep fan and until recently had three of them. I'm not sure I would buy another. Too many random issues. Mostly electrical.

The poor EV hardly has a chance when the company can't make an ICE vehicle that is affordable and dependable. With a century of experience in that mature technology.
 
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There are an estimated 100,000 unsold luxury SUV Wagoneers on U.S. dealers lots.

The Grand Wagoneers are over $100k, I think. And they're fucking big ugly SUVs. Anyone that would pay $100k for a freakin' JEEP is insane. My brother once had a Jeep Grand Cherokee. What a piece of shit that was. I mean a REAL PIECE OF SHIT that was ALWAYS breaking down.
 
The Grand Wagoneers are over $100k, I think. And they're fucking big ugly SUVs. Anyone that would pay $100k for a freakin' JEEP is insane. My brother once had a Jeep Grand Cherokee. What a piece of shit that was. I mean a REAL PIECE OF SHIT that was ALWAYS breaking down.
I looked at a six figure Wagoneer in the showroom while I was getting an oil change and tire rotation. Also a 90,000 Wrangler with a V8. The Wrangler was nicely tricked out but the typical Jeep buyer aint going for a 90k Wrangler. Stellantis has priced themselves right out of the market.

The Grand Cherokee used to be a great car. Suitable for occasional offroad use. No so much anymore. It looks like every other SUV and the reliability is shit. Always in the shop. The ratings companies like Consumer reports say It ranks up there with Land Rover for perpetually needing repair. Especially electrical.
 
I looked at a six figure Wagoneer in the showroom while I was getting an oil change and tire rotation. Also a 90,000 Wrangler with a V8. The Wrangler was nicely tricked out but the typical Jeep buyer aint going for a 90k Wrangler. Stellantis has priced themselves right out of the market.

The Grand Cherokee used to be a great car. Suitable for occasional offroad use. No so much anymore. It looks like every other SUV and the reliability is shit. Always in the shop. The ratings companies like Consumer reports say It ranks up there with Land Rover for perpetually needing repair. Especially electrical.

I wouldn't take a Jeep for free. OK... maybe for free. And at the first sign of trouble, I'd sell it. Jeep wasn't even on the list of contenders when I got my Subaru Outback 2 years ago.

I see a fair number of Jeeps on the road here, though. They all have their rubber duckies on the dash.
 
I looked at a six figure Wagoneer in the showroom while I was getting an oil change and tire rotation. Also a 90,000 Wrangler with a V8. The Wrangler was nicely tricked out but the typical Jeep buyer aint going for a 90k Wrangler. Stellantis has priced themselves right out of the market.

The Grand Cherokee used to be a great car. Suitable for occasional offroad use. No so much anymore. It looks like every other SUV and the reliability is shit. Always in the shop. The ratings companies like Consumer reports say It ranks up there with Land Rover for perpetually needing repair. Especially electrical.

I wouldn't take a Jeep for free. OK... maybe for free. And at the first sign of trouble, I'd sell it. Jeep wasn't even on the list of contenders when I got my Subaru Outback 2 years ago.

I see a fair number of Jeeps on the road here, though. They all have their rubber duckies on the dash.
 
I wouldn't take a Jeep for free. OK... maybe for free. And at the first sign of trouble, I'd sell it. Jeep wasn't even on the list of contenders when I got my Subaru Outback 2 years ago.

I see a fair number of Jeeps on the road here, though. They all have their rubber duckies on the dash.
Jeeps are a fashion accessory for a lot people. My Gladiators are true off road vehicles. Lifted and 37 inch tires. They do a decent job of traversing difficult terrain. In my case, to get to my shack it's ten miles of mud, deep, standing water, and loose sand. Nothing else other than the Jeep or a similarly jacked 4x4 pickup can handle it. Vacationers in Explorers, Subarus, other sport SUVs who want to experience driving on the sand and communing with nature get stuck and have to be towed out all year long. There are two towing company's and they stay busy. Especially in the summer.

On a long trip, the Jeeps suck. Noisy from the big knobby tires and wind because they are shaped like a brick.

My biggest complaint with the Jeeps is random electrical problems. I have replaced the aux batteries in both of them twice. Bad design. The tire pressure system quit working on both of them after a year and a half. If they sit for two weeks or more, the main battery goes dead from vampire power issues. I had to install battery cutoff switches.

The '21 Wrangler, which I recently sold, had perpetual electrical issues. Replaced numerous electronic components and sensors. The was under warranty, but still a pain in the ass. Cars and guns I have the same POV. It better fucking work every time. An unreliable vehicle or gun is an unacceptable risk. I get rid of them if the issue repeats.
 
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Jeeps are a fashion accessory for a lot people. My Gladiators are true off road vehicles. Lifted and 37 inch tires. They do a decent job of traversing difficult terrain. In my case, to get to my shack it's ten miles of mud, deep, standing water, and loose sand. Nothing else other than the Jeep or a similarly jacked 4x4 pickup can handle it. Vacationers in Explorers, Subarus, other sport SUVs who want to experience driving on the sand and communing with nature get stuck and have to be towed out all year long. There are two towing company's and they stay busy. Especially in the summer.

On a long trip, the Jeeps suck. Noisy from the big knobby tires and wind because they are shaped like a brick.

My biggest complaint with the Jeeps is random electrical problems. I have replaced the aux batteries in both of them twice. Bad design. The tire pressure system quit working on both of them after a year and a half. If they sit for two weeks or more, the main battery goes dead from vampire power issues. I had to install battery cutoff switches.

The '21 Wrangler, which I recently sold, had perpetual electrical issues. Replaced numerous electronic components and sensors. The was under warranty, but still a pain in the ass. Cars and guns I have the same POV. It better fucking work every time. An unreliable vehicle or gun is an unacceptable risk. I get rid of them if the issue repeats.

Subarus are capable of "SOFT-roading," not off-roading. :) Though mine will not likely even be used for "soft-roading."

Where Subaru's symmetrical (full-time) AWD shines is in inclement weather conditions. But I also really like the traction and control on dry or wet pavement. If I need to GO, it fucking GOES. No wheel slipping.

Also... my Outback in the Onyx XT trim drives and rides as smoothly and quietly as my friends' (very expensive and less reliable) German SUVs... and in some cases better.
 
Subarus are capable of "SOFT-roading," not off-roading. :) Though mine will not likely even be used for "soft-roading."

Where Subaru's symmetrical (full-time) AWD shines is in inclement weather conditions. But I also really like the traction and control on dry or wet pavement. If I need to GO, it fucking GOES. No wheel slipping.

Also... my Outback in the Onyx XT trim drives and rides as smoothly and quietly as my friends' (very expensive and less reliable) German SUVs... and in some cases better.
I once rented a Subaru and found myself driving in nasty blizzard conditions in Maine. It did really well in deep snow. Overall a pretty nice car. And roomy enough for lesbian dog breeders. :)

The thing that gets the hold my beer tourists with sport SUVs into trouble is they dont air down the tires when they exit the pavement and these all-around SUVs dont have the ground clearance for serious off road driving. Dirt roads like on the commercials... no problem. Climbing rocks, traversing roots, deep potholes, driving up and over dunes and wading thru 2-3 feet of water... not made for that.
 
The ole bait and switch.
The UK offered EV buyers no road tax for several years, then a year or two ago, applied it to EV's.
Now they want to add another tax for the lost fuel revenue.
This equals about 4 cents per mile US. So, $400 per 10K miles driven.
Look for a similar thing to happen here at some point. Some states already have an EV surcharge per year, which in some cases works out to more than the gas tax when you calculate the miles driven.

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The ole bait and switch.
The UK offered EV buyers no road tax for several years, then a year or two ago, applied it to EV's.
Now they want to add another tax for the lost fuel revenue.
This equals about 4 cents per mile US. So, $400 per 10K miles driven.
Look for a similar thing to happen here at some point. Some states already have an EV surcharge per year, which in some cases works out to more than the gas tax when you calculate the miles driven.

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How fucking STUPID are people?? The depth of their stupidity is only exceeded by their gullibility in believing the gov't is GIVING them something. One way or another, they're paying for it. And then when the "gift" is taken away, they're STILL paying for it. Idiots.
 
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On a lighter note, Donut Lab has released some info on the Solid State battery that has entered production and will be featured in the Verge electric motorcycle. Right now, they are making some impressive claims as to what this battery can deliver, but industry peeps are skeptical. Will the claims for the bike battery scale up for automotive use? Too early to tell.

Even if the numbers being thrown out there now are eventually cut by half, it will still be a step forward.
Is this the future of EV batteries solving the issues of current LiOn batteries, or is it vaporware? Time will tell.

Donut Lab shows solid-state battery pack charging at 100 kW in Verge motorcycle

If you have the chemistry background and want to geek out for an hour, here's a vid where ECC founder Richard Morgan discusses the battery with a battery chemist.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl7fRHlygSo&t=6s
 
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