First build great experience!

[Tekpros]

I want to thank the community and MGB for all the tips and quality videos and parts!

I have tried 3 rounds but due to living location its not ideal to fire off around here. I can’t wait to see how it does though. So far I have a lot of patience put into it and Ive tweaked it and ocd’d a lot on it this past week. I wanted to share to the community my work and get any opinions you all have. I took a short video demonstrating the slide and the firing pin test and testing the trigger safety. Overall Im quite happy with the results so far but I’m liable to get to the range and have ftf/fte issues knowing my luck. Guess that’s what all of us have as a nightmare we fear with these builds. I’m glad I got into the hobby just hope the government doesn’t put a end to it like they have tried so hard to do anyways here are some pics. Let me know what you think please. Thank you guys!

 

[Racer88]

Looks great! Nice job! Sooooooo.... what are your plans for your NEXT build? You should know the rules dictate you can't stop at one!

Thanks for joining the forum and participating by posting! When you get a chance, please write up a quick “introduction” (or RE-introduction if you were a former MGB forum member) of yourself over in the Introduce Yourself! section. Tell us about yourself, your building experience, and how you found the forum.

Jump into other threads, too! Come on in... the water's fine!

And let us know how she shoots!

 

[Tekpros]

And here is a link to the video

Looks great! Nice job! Sooooooo.... what are your plans for your NEXT build? You should know the rules dictate you can't stop at one!

Thanks for joining the forum and participating by posting! When you get a chance, please write up a quick “introduction” (or RE-introduction if you were a former MGB forum member) of yourself over in the Introduce Yourself! section. Tell us about yourself, your building experience, and how you found the forum.

Jump into other threads, too! Come on in... the water's fine!

And let us know how she shoots!

Thank you buddy I’m headed over there now, sorry if I didn’t follow the rules correctly, Im a member of so many forums I didn’t realize I haven’t posted here yet. My next build will most likely be for my wife but I would like to do a single stack and an AR as well. I’m kinda on the fence whether I would want to do anything with the sig style 80s. I seen there is a Glock based frame with a fire control unit now on GGJ. I kinda would like to keep the simplicity of using hand tools and dremel as opposed to needing to invest in more tools but they do look interesting. If that’s the route things are legally going I need to take that wish with a grain of salt and move to that platform asap. And definitely is just the start of many builds I just can’t afford to do a lot right now, but it gives me more time to focus on each piece instead of rushing to do things. Thanks again for the words of encouragement!

 

[serger]

Tekpros, ya done good. It's a real rush when you put one
of these things together and it actually WORKS, (Like
it's supposed to.) Then in the back of your head you say,
"Yeah, I'm bad. For real, I'm really bad."

Congrats

serger

 

[Racer88]

And here is a link to the video

Thank you buddy I’m headed over there now, sorry if I didn’t follow the rules correctly, Im a member of so many forums I didn’t realize I haven’t posted here yet. My next build will most likely be for my wife but I would like to do a single stack and an AR as well. I’m kinda on the fence whether I would want to do anything with the sig style 80s. I seen there is a Glock based frame with a fire control unit now on GGJ. I kinda would like to keep the simplicity of using hand tools and dremel as opposed to needing to invest in more tools but they do look interesting. If that’s the route things are legally going I need to take that wish with a grain of salt and move to that platform asap. And definitely is just the start of many builds I just can’t afford to do a lot right now, but it gives me more time to focus on each piece instead of rushing to do things. Thanks again for the words of encouragement!

No worries... it's not really "rules." And it's not "enforced." Just a social thing (and to encourage more participation).

I agree with spending time with each build. Far more satisfying that way, too. It took me about 40 hours to complete my first build. I always laugh at those who claim these guns can be built in 20 minutes. Not if you want them to WORK! LOL!

 

[FrankenGlock]

No worries... it's not really "rules." And it's not "enforced." Just a social thing (and to encourage more participation).

I agree with spending time with each build. Far more satisfying that way, too. It took me about 40 hours to complete my first build. I always laugh at those who claim these guns can be built in 20 minutes. Not if you want them to WORK! LOL!

I can on a 80% but maybe I’m the exception. Can’t do it on a 76% in 20 minutes that for sure. That can take days and not worth it to me given how cheap one can buy a frame.

 

[Racer88]

I can on a 80% but maybe I’m the exception. Can’t do it on a 76% in 20 minutes that for sure. That can take days and not worth it to me given how cheap one can buy a frame.

MAYBE the exception?? LOL! Are you serious?

The exception proves the rule. You're either being disingenuous or perhaps simply bragging. Here's my point, which should have been quite obvious:

Politicians and anti-freedom activists have CONSTANTLY claimed that ANYONE can build a PMF in 20 minutes. They're even more specific by saying, "an UNSKILLED person can do it in 20 minutes with just a kit!"

@FrankenGlock (who has built dozens or many more than that) is an EXPERT with all the best tools. You are NOT an unskilled person. You are NOT who they are talking about, because it would not serve their agenda.

They are absolutely LYING when they say "anyone without any skills or experience can build a gun in 20 minutes." That's total bullshit, and you and the rest of us know it. All you have to do is look at the shit "workmanship" (using the term very loosely) on the Reddit forums. They look like they're finished with a chainsaw held by someone with essential tremors. No way those "guns" will actually work.

So, what purpose does it serve for you to submit this "refutation" because of YOUR UNIQUE abilities? "Well, I can do it in 20 minutes!" Are you trying to HELP the anti-gunners? Because it sure seems like it. You repeatedly SUPPORT their claims. I find that REALLY odd.

 

[FrankenGlock]

MAYBE the exception?? LOL! Are you serious?

The exception proves the rule. You're either being disingenuous or perhaps simply bragging. Here's my point, which should have been quite obvious:

Politicians and anti-freedom activists have CONSTANTLY claimed that ANYONE can build a PMF in 20 minutes. They're even more specific by saying, "an UNSKILLED person can do it in 20 minutes with just a kit!"

@FrankenGlock (who has built dozens or many more than that) is an EXPERT with all the best tools. You are NOT an unskilled person. You are NOT who they are talking about, because it would not serve their agenda.

They are absolutely LYING when they say "anyone without any skills or experience can build a gun in 20 minutes." That's total bullshit, and you and the rest of us know it. All you have to do is look at the shit "workmanship" (using the term very loosely) on the Reddit forums. They look like they're finished with a chainsaw held by someone with essential tremors. No way those "guns" will actually work.

So, what purpose does it serve for you to submit this "refutation" because of YOUR UNIQUE abilities? "Well, I can do it in 20 minutes!" Are you trying to HELP the anti-gunners? Because it sure seems like it. You repeatedly SUPPORT their claims. I find that REALLY odd.

It’s to address the statement that it cannot be done in 20 minutes. I’m not one for absolutes either way. If you do enough of them you can was and is the point. Some guy working in the basement churning out 80% guns for the wrong reason can build a bunch in a day with the right tools and they do not need to be expensive tools. A drill or drill
Press and the right snips can make fast work out of an 80%. However, that should not matter as there is nothing in the constitution that separates building fast or slow. Should have the same protection for PMF’s regardless of build times and experience. The attorney in front of the SCOTUS came off as a total idiot and that’s where that case went off the rails and not how fast or slow someone can build a gun. Yes, most can’t do it in less than 20 minutes.

Being a gun builder/hobbiest/whatever is like an auto mechanic with years of experience or not. If he can do a 4 hour job in 30 minutes, he will get paid for the 4 hour job but that doesn’t mean everyone can do it that quickly. Building a firearm is not much difference; as in, if you do enough you know the tricks to doing it quick and right. I just want the guns to work and don’t care if they look perfect under the hood. No how and no way do I spend the time you do to make them look perfect. Mine look good but not perfect.

If done quickly and not neatly the gun can work as long as the channels are clear and the holes are drilled properly. Won’t go into the numbers I’ve built but it’s quite a bit. Just possibly way more than you can imagine but I also run as a business so I can get parts very inexpensively and that includes from Glock as I’m also a Glock armorer.

Most of what I do is for fun and to see how far I can take platforms but I also sell my products. I do openly share advice through good and bad experiences and do not advertise on this or any other forum as, again, I came here and to GT to share my experience and to help others with the hobby and not sell my wares.

When building or modify things not meant to go together it can take some time or when building guns from less than 76% frames I can spend serious time but a lot of what I do is to prove things can be done. My next project is to convert the Gen 6 trigger housing to work with a GPT insert. They are not yet out so I hope mine is the first one. The Gen 6 trigger housing is completely different than the Gen 5’s or earlier so it may not be a 10 minute job like I thought it would be. Glock is not selling the Gen 6 parts through their armorer program yet so I have to be careful and not create an expensive paper weight.

 

[Racer88]

It’s to address the statement that it cannot be done in 20 minutes. I’m not one for absolutes either way. If you do enough of them you can was and is the point.

Ah, but that's not what I said, and it's not what the anti-2A faction is saying. They are saying that ANYONE... with ZERO EXPERIENCE.... can build one in 20 minutes. (And they're very specific about stipulating NO EXPERIENCE.)

This is intended to underscore the "need" to ban ALL PMFs. It's how P80 went out of business. They made it "too easy" for ANYONE (with NO EXPERIENCE) to build "dangerous guns" that "can't be traced."

So, do you agree or disagree with that? Read it again, if you have to.

 

[FrankenGlock]

No, you are 100% correct that not everyone can do it and I know the testimony. I do agree with everything you are saying though and the vast majority probably couldn’t do it in an hour. The attorney was terrible and should have been sent packing after that show in front of the SCOTUS and was absolutely not prepared for what they asked and he should have been.

I would have taken 100 people off the street and paid them $100 if they could do it in under 1 hour and timed them from start to finish. Give them access to the internet and access to the tools most would have to complete the job and let them go. After they are done, take them to the range and if it works give them an extra $100. I’d bet the odds are no one could do it. Would have been a powerful rebuttal. Too bad they are not allowed to bring props to the SCOTUS and challenge them to put their efforts where their judgment is so to speak.

 

[Racer88]

No, you are 100% correct that not everyone can do it and I know the testimony. I do agree with everything you are saying though and the vast majority probably couldn’t do it in an hour. The attorney was terrible and should have been sent packing after that show in front of the SCOTUS and was absolutely not prepared for what they asked and he should have been.

I would have taken 100 people off the street and paid them $100 if they could do it in under 1 hour and timed them from start to finish. Give them access to the internet and access to the tools most would have to complete the job and let them go. After they are done, take them to the range and if it works give them an extra $100. I’d bet the odds are no one could do it. Would have been a powerful rebuttal. Too bad they are not allowed to bring props to the SCOTUS and challenge them to put their efforts where their judgment is so to speak.

Agree. I would also argue that the relative ease or difficulty of the job is irrelevant to our 2A RIGHTS.

Similarly, it doesn't matter if it's easy or hard to assert and exercise your 1st Amendment Rights.

 

[Tekpros]

Wow guys I hope I didnt say nothing bad to spark controversy thats the last thing I want here I can get enough of that without spending my free time drawing unwanted attention to any of us. I just hope if I made any comments out of line everyone understands it definitely was not my intent.

 

[Racer88]

Wow guys I hope I didnt say nothing bad to spark controversy thats the last thing I want here I can get enough of that without spending my free time drawing unwanted attention to any of us. I just hope if I made any comments out of line everyone understands it definitely was not my intent.

No worries! We have healthy debate here quite often, and it's among friends.

 

[Tekpros]

No worries! We have healthy debate here quite often, and it's among friends.

Great because the actual topic that was being discussed i could really put fire under all of you guys ass but I’ll not start on what I actually know from experience about rights and freedoms. In some neck of the woods it don’t matter and the more you know the more they will try to throw you out to the wolves not because “they can’t do that” means something in 90% of America, the other 10% is what makes a lot of taught freedoms and liberties be hog wash, and it’s only because the crooked ones have never met their match. Lol I’m sorry I have had some really bad run ins with things not being true and not able to fight for my rights because the money factor plays a big roll about anywhere. I’m sorry I know I’m being vague but I don’t want to publicize just the topic at hand. Hopefully you guys if anyone understands that too.

 

[Racer88]

Great because the actual topic that was being discussed i could really put fire under all of you guys ass but I’ll not start on what I actually know from experience about rights and freedoms. In some neck of the woods it don’t matter and the more you know the more they will try to throw you out to the wolves not because “they can’t do that” means something in 90% of America, the other 10% is what makes a lot of taught freedoms and liberties be hog wash, and it’s only because the crooked ones have never met their match. Lol I’m sorry I have had some really bad run ins with things not being true and not able to fight for my rights because the money factor plays a big roll about anywhere. I’m sorry I know I’m being vague but I don’t want to publicize just the topic at hand. Hopefully you guys if anyone understands that too.

I think you'll find this group to be more evolved than the "echo chamber" that many groups or forums typically become. There are some REALLY smart people here. Crazy smart! With extensive life and worldly experience. Lots of them! I guess "like attracts like!"

So, there can be some disagreement on nuances of various topics. But it's pretty much always respectful. And it's certainly intellectually stimulating!

 

[Tekpros]

It also attracts the hate, because I’ve excelled above my peers my whole life and I’m not bragging just stating that it’s kinda been my demise in a lot of ways but most of it I contributed to the cause by dabbling with things i shouldn’t due to boredom haha. But ya i figured there was a lot of people here that was smart but I also figured there might be some close minded people that are stuck in their way which I’m sure there is but I don’t got time for those myself, so if you see it going south please take control of the situation because I don’t want to get all involved here and then one person make me say f it I didn’t have nobody during my first build why do i need anyone now, I really just want like minded folks to share thoughts and ideas with who can listen to anything without getting all butt hurt and drawing attention from the wrong outsiders ya know..

 

[Tekpros]

I got bored last night and chopped my trigger shoe, chopped the beavertail, and done some undercut work. It feels so much better in my hand now. For some reason I felt like I was holding some weird kinda sling shot or canoe or something with the big long narrow beavertail . I have it pretty well flush now. I haven't done any polishing on it yet just filing and picking with a fine pick tool and working with needle files. I took my flashlight and RMR off but now the flashlight is only one I don't have on. Oh and I had a weird incident last night. I put my spiral fluted barrel in and an armorers back plate while I was checking it out after doing the back strap and the trigger undercut. I couldn't get the firing pin to operate. I could put the other barrel in, same thing. I had been noticing my fluted spiral barrel was trying together jammed up during breakdown but my MAS9 barrel didn't ever just like butter for it. But this time I worked all night basically just filing stuff that didn't even effect the trigger assembly action, went to put it back together and no "click". I took it apart everything looked fine. I scratched my head. You know what it was? The damn armorer back plate. It must not been thick enough to keep my firing pin spring just where it needed for the system to complete its loop. I still have not figured out exactly why, put my NDK plate back on and all was well again. I really thought I screwed it up bad some how. Anyway how's these mods look?

Did I Mention how much better it feels the grip and in the web of my shooting hand. Glock double stacks are like holding a jar of peanut butter anyway, at least it's not got a slide like a yeet cannon haha. But it feels just right now a lot like a M&P or the width of a 1911 is a just a lil narrower than how it feels now. I know it's wider than a 1911 at the mag by a long shot I'm just speaking of feel. It feels like holding a 1911. It reminded me of an old Ruger 22/45 Mark II I use to have the way that long geaver tail was but mixed with a block feel where that undercut was. I did not like it at all especially with my threaded barrel. I am getting to where I wouldn't mind just having a solid blank slide that's a solid flat black or FDE and cerakote or use some other cheaper coloring method on the frame.

Let me know what you guys think. Oh yea I went by this gun here eyeballing it to kinda get an idea of how close Glock done their straps and how the front strap / undercut was. I"ll show side by side.



Look better than yesterday? I know some people prefer that beavertail and wild exotic undercut. Not me I like comfort and the way I grew up shooting guns was what I grew accustomed to, change is not good with things like that. I thought I liked it at first, but nah I decided I thought it made my gun look goofy and me look silly holding it, and I hated the way it felt being a man with larger hands. The thinner undercut now is awesome, and it feels sweet racking it. Thanks guys hope you all have had a great weekend and look forward to your replies.

 

[serger]

I make my guns plain Jane. I don't have the patience to build the fantastic
things I've seen built here. My guns run. Having said that you should take
your baby out and run it. Hard. Then you can show off and brag on it. (It
looks great BTW).

Racer88 has one he built that has many, many thousands of rounds thru it.
It's a beauty.

The only thing I've build which even comes close to that number of rounds
is my 1911 built from an 80% lower and parts. It's in the 4k range with my
cast 230gr reloads.

Make haste slowly with your goodie and run it for a bit. Then you'll know it
& might not want to change anything else.

 

[Tekpros]

Oh ive ran a few through it she works good and has a perfect pattern ejection. Just shot off a few rounds tho not really got to feel it the way it is now at all. Ive actually worked on it a lot between the custom trigger stuff, cuts, all the regular work, tweak this tweak that, get this a little more here etc. yea I’ve probably put 50-60 hrs time in it. But i do it therapeutic and dont rush

 

[Bobster]

As for the "you can build one in 20min" myth, EVERYONE who has actually built one yelled "BULLSHIT!" at Dettlebitch on the TV...

I thought it was "60 Minutes" that did an interview with him but I didn't see him in it while scanning the following video. It must have been one of the other news programs. But this segment was equally propagandistic.

I'm sure someone here will remember and perhaps link to it. It had D'bitch's "assistant" having a hard time taking down a glockish gun.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc4ylVn-MO8