Video Ay, ay, ay... People are STUPID (with guns).

Racer88 said:
I remember that one.
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And it doesn't help when we don't really hold the idiots "who should know better" accountable

"third-degree assault and was sentenced to two years unsupervised probation" for a guy who was authorized to have a loaded firearm on an airplane not to mention other places and managed to shoot someone while doing a backflip at a bar ....

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Backflip FBI agent avoids jail over accidental bar shooting

Chase Bishop accidentally shot a bystander in the leg while dancing in a Denver bar in June.
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"the cameraman never dies"

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brian said:
And it doesn't help when we don't really hold the idiots "who should know better" accountable

"third-degree assault and was sentenced to two years unsupervised probation" for a guy who was authorized to have a loaded firearm on an airplane not to mention other places and managed to shoot someone while doing a backflip at a bar ....

www.bbc.com

Backflip FBI agent avoids jail over accidental bar shooting

Chase Bishop accidentally shot a bystander in the leg while dancing in a Denver bar in June.
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The FBI needs to be purged. This guy even looks like a douche bag.

My Godfather was an old school FBI agent. He was not a pussy. More like the Joe Friday type. Conservative, dedicated, serious, family man, always in a suit and groomed, shoes always shined. He never did anything to give the appearance of being a jackass. He had a presence. When he walked into a room he was the alpha. He never said much but when he did you listened.
 
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Racer88 said:
Some don't have a choice... or much of a choice.
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Not knowing what part of the state you're in, but there are no Wildlife Dept. public ranges? No decent gun clubs? I would have thought FL had more than most other states.
 
no4mk1t said:
but there are no Wildlife Dept. public ranges? No decent gun clubs? I would have thought FL had more than most other states.
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The local outdoor range is owned / run by the state wildlife commission. I go there often. It's nice. But there are some strict rules that prevent defensive type practice. For example... no silhouette targets. No rapid fire - 2 full seconds between shots. Of course, no holster draws. So, it's nice to be outside.... but the rules are very constraining.

The local indoor range allows silhouette targets and rapid fire (as long as you're hitting the target). No holster draws.

No private clubs nearby. The closest one is 45+ minutes away. I considered joining, but they have a rule against concealed carry. That was a deal-breaker for me on principle. Mind you, they allow holster draw from concealed at the range. But you just can't come through the gate with a concealed firearm. I tried to get one of the officers to 'splain it to me. He just said "that's the way it is." Mmm-kay! I'm out.

So, in reality, it's quite limited here when it comes to ranges.
 
Racer88 said:
The local outdoor range is owned / run by the state wildlife commission. I go there often. It's nice. But there are some strict rules that prevent defensive type practice. For example... no silhouette targets. No rapid fire - 2 full seconds between shots. Of course, no holster draws. So, it's nice to be outside.... but the rules are very constraining.

The local indoor range allows silhouette targets and rapid fire (as long as you're hitting the target). No holster draws.

No private clubs nearby. The closest one is 45+ minutes away. I considered joining, but they have a rule against concealed carry. That was a deal-breaker for me on principle. Mind you, they allow holster draw from concealed at the range. But you just can't come through the gate with a concealed firearm. I tried to get one of the officers to 'splain it to me. He just said "that's the way it is." Mmm-kay! I'm out.

So, in reality, it's quite limited here when it comes to ranges.
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Yeah, we don't have all that. About the only thing prohibited at my club is 50 BMG and bump firing. Strangely, legal FA is permitted.
They have regular cowboy and action pistol matches, so drawing from the holster is not a thing.
Club is an hour from the house, but the two Wildlife Dept. ranges are 45 and 50 minutes, so it's a no brainer to just go to the club. They have lights on one of the pistol ranges and the shotgun ranges and firing is allowed until 10 pm.
Multiple rifle and pistol GP ranges and bays for the action pistol matches. Trap, skeet, 5 stand and Sporting Clays ranges too.
 
Racer88 said:
Some don't have a choice... or much of a choice.
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Precisely! However, for over a year now I drive over an hour weekly to that particular outdoor club range where I can draw from concealed and even mag dump if I want to instead of at least 4 indoor ranges I pass by each way that [understably] don't allow draw from the holster at all!

Even though it's a private club and club officers know most of the members by their first name and some even well seasoned member can have a bad day. None of us are getting any younger! ;) Others still mess up even the most basic gun handling rules of ANY range! :rolleyes: However, the ROs there monitor the cameras very closely and quickly address problems, which are usually someone just having a brain fart. So I understand why, appreciate the ROs having our back, and easily comply with the club's rule against general CC inside the gate until established on one the 3 ranges that it's allowed. I can now barely tolerate that public outdoor range, but still go there anytime our group of range buddies meet up for some pew, wait 2 sec, pew time! ;)

I also enjoy talking with our favorite RO there, whom enjoys PMFs as much as anyone here! (y)(y)
 
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I'm RSO-ing at the pistol range during Public Day. A man, his wife and 4 kids set up a number of pistols on the bench, not a .22 in the bunch. :rolleyes: I'm guessing kids are 12 and above but under 18 (Irish quadruplets? :D ). This is their first time at PD so a little re-explanation of the rules for them "muzzles ALWAYS pointed at the berm, slide back/mag out/gun on table ejection port up when not in use, kids must be directly supervised by an adult, no handling of firearms and stay behind the line when the range is cold".

There are often enough RSOs that we can have one per group of shooters, especially shooters new to PD or shooting in general. Otherwise we will walk the line observing for safety infractions. We are not there to teach the handling of firearms, just to assure it is done safely. But sometimes the two go hand in hand--I've saved at least a dozen noobs from slide-bite showing them the proper grip. :cool: I'll see them getting ready to fire and firmly say "STOP!" then show proper grip and explain what slide-bite is.

I'm a "good cop"/"hands-off" RSO. I understand how a bunch of guys/gals in red shirts, orange hats and pistols on their hips can be intimidating to some. And I can tell shooters are nervous. So I'll calmly instruct noobs about the rules and why we have those rules and let them do their thing. When I have to step in, I'll show and explain, then observe and correct if necessary. Then I'm out of their face. Some RSOs are over-instructive :rolleyes: with entire lessons being taught which is not really within the scope of our duties. Some are just impatient, grumpy, old men and prone to raising their voices... :D

I tried to keep an eye on the family while patrolling. I don't want to step on a father's toes showing his kid how to shoot but the 12yo was holding the pistol "cup and saucer" style so I stepped in and showed proper grip, explaining how this will avoid malfunctions from "limp wristing". Then I let them get back to shooting. A few moments later I watch the father unload the pistol then move behind his son with it, flagging the back of his head! :eek: I immediately and firmly tell him "Leave the gun on the table and move your body next time--you just muzzle-flagged your son! This is your only safety warning! The next time you'll have to leave!" The father apoligized and they continued shooting (safely) the rest of the morning. Other RSOs would have yelled at him and sent the family on their way.

I wonder if we'll see the family again next month? Part of me hopes so but part of me doubts it. Some people just can't take the near-constant supervision but that's just how it is. We DO have a lot of "regulars" and they know what to do so they help to balance out the noobs for the most part... :)
 
Bobster said:
I'm RSO-ing at the pistol range during Public Day. A man, his wife and 4 kids set up a number of pistols on the bench, not a .22 in the bunch. :rolleyes: I'm guessing kids are 12 and above but under 18 (Irish quadruplets? :D ). This is their first time at PD so a little re-explanation of the rules for them "muzzles ALWAYS pointed at the berm, slide back/mag out/gun on table ejection port up when not in use, kids must be directly supervised by an adult, no handling of firearms and stay behind the line when the range is cold".

There are often enough RSOs that we can have one per group of shooters, especially shooters new to PD or shooting in general. Otherwise we will walk the line observing for safety infractions. We are not there to teach the handling of firearms, just to assure it is done safely. But sometimes the two go hand in hand--I've saved at least a dozen noobs from slide-bite showing them the proper grip. :cool: I'll see them getting ready to fire and firmly say "STOP!" then show proper grip and explain what slide-bite is.

I'm a "good cop"/"hands-off" RSO. I understand how a bunch of guys/gals in red shirts, orange hats and pistols on their hips can be intimidating to some. And I can tell shooters are nervous. So I'll calmly instruct noobs about the rules and why we have those rules and let them do their thing. When I have to step in, I'll show and explain, then observe and correct if necessary. Then I'm out of their face. Some RSOs are over-instructive :rolleyes: with entire lessons being taught which is not really within the scope of our duties. Some are just impatient, grumpy, old men and prone to raising their voices... :D

I tried to keep an eye on the family while patrolling. I don't want to step on a father's toes showing his kid how to shoot but the 12yo was holding the pistol "cup and saucer" style so I stepped in and showed proper grip, explaining how this will avoid malfunctions from "limp wristing". Then I let them get back to shooting. A few moments later I watch the father unload the pistol then move behind his son with it, flagging the back of his head! :eek: I immediately and firmly tell him "Leave the gun on the table and move your body next time--you just muzzle-flagged your son! This is your only safety warning! The next time you'll have to leave!" The father apoligized and they continued shooting (safely) the rest of the morning. Other RSOs would have yelled at him and sent the family on their way.

I wonder if we'll see the family again next month? Part of me hopes so but part of me doubts it. Some people just can't take the near-constant supervision but that's just how it is. We DO have a lot of "regulars" and they know what to do so they help to balance out the noobs for the most part... :)
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Hopefully they come back for more practice. Flagging the kid... wow. I support the guy teaching the kids about guns but I also dont want him to make a fatal mistake that he will never recover from. Good job.
 

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