Article Link! The Great American EV Fire Sale Is About to Begin

As I've been saying... it's PHYSICS. John Stossel interviews a physicist.

I'm NOT a physicist. But I took two years of Physics in high school and two semesters of college Physics. And I've stayed at a Holiday Inn.

But, even to me, the facts are glaringly obvious. What the media and politicians are saying is NOT TRUE. Not only that, what they are suggesting violates the very laws of Physics. Not "rules" or "guidelines" or "theories." The Laws of Thermodynamics. They cannot be overcome with "better or improving technology."

Worth watching both all the way through.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2HneqfZGsM


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptI6BRVC1Kw
 
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Gasoline is cheaper than electric
Yea like somebody can stop oil gettin from the Perzun Gulf to where it’s gotta go.
It dont matter that refineries are closing and the last one built in the US wuz 1977.
Them E-Vees aint got enough room in the back seat for me and my cousin Loosie Lou. She’s a full figured gal.

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The Racer/BL meme.
And it's even a Subie vs. Tesla. ;)

Ready on the right, ready on the left, all ready on the firing line...commence fire!!

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As previously mentioned, most states charge a fee at the time of registration of an EV to offset the lost gas tax revenue. Ten states currently have no fee, but I wouldn't expect this to last much longer. Thirteen charge $200+ per year with the highest being $260. All the others range from $50 to $175.
And because this is a registration fee and not a tax, is the DMV free to raise the fee whenever? At least the gas tax had to be voted on by the state legislature. As more EV's hit the road, expect these fees to increase.

And AFAIK, there is no allowance for low usage. If you are a retiree and only drive 5000 miles per year, you still pay the same. At $200 per year, you would have to drive a 30-m.p.g. car about 21K miles to have paid $200 in state gas tax. This will vary quite a bit by state.

Now on a factory EV, the DMV is of course going to automatically know which cars are EV and apply the fee. But I found it interesting that in my state, there is no mechanism to identify an EV conversion at the time of registration. No check box on the form.
Even more interesting is that there is no verbiage in the statute mentioning conversions at all. No reporting requirement, no inspection requirement. Nothing.
If you don't tell them, they won't know.
Now how long this will last is anyone's guess, but conversions are not popular enough here for it to have popped up on their radar yet.

So, apply the "Don't ask, don't tell" principle and revel in one of the few remaining times you can get one over on them.

Now, some will say that the fee imposed is not all that high and just pay it. It does not occur to them that the fee is not going to stay at this level much longer. My state already has a bill to raise the fee to $200 to be in line with most other states. There is also a provision in the same bill to tax the electricity at public chargers.

As we have seen in the UK, the gov't started out with no fees on EV's to encourage peeps to buy them. Then that expired last year and now they are required to pay a "Road Tax" from £200-£440 ($270-$593) depending on the car.
Now they have added a pay per mile charge of 3 pence starting in 2028. This is roughly 4 cents per mile. The average UK resident drives 7100 miles per year. This would amount to an additional $270 per year.

How long do you think it will be before they see this as a cash cow and implement it here?
Well, four states already have, and a dozen others are thinking about it.

In my state, you would have to drive a car that gets 30 mpg over 21K miles per year to equal the $200 EV annual fee.
The states that have already implemented the mileage fee are between 1-2 cents per mile.
The average miles driven in the US is 13500 per year. So, $135-$270 per year.
So, you see where this is going.
When there are enough EV's, how long do you think it will take to occur to them to tax home charging? :unsure:
 
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Now they have added a pay per mile charge of 3 pence starting in 2028. This is roughly 40 cents per mile. The average UK resident drives 7100 miles per year. This would amount to an additional $270 per year.

40 (FORTY) cents PER MILE??? For 7100 miles / year, that's a LOT more than $270. It's $2,840 per year!

Or was the 40 cents a typo?
 
40 (FORTY) cents PER MILE??? For 7100 miles / year, that's a LOT more than $270. It's $2,840 per year!

Or was the 40 cents a typo?
Corrected.
Yeah, 4 cents per mile, not 40. Actually 3 pence. I rounded to 4 cents.

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To compare how bad the Brits screw their people on gas tax, I looked it up.
Still doesn't explain why the pump price is $7+ per gallon.

So, dangle the EV carrot with no fees at first.
After you get enough peeps driving EV's, you outlaw new gas and diesel cars after 2030.
Then add "road tax".
Then add a miles driven tax.
Waiting next for the home charging tax for grid chargers and the sunshine tax for the solar chargers. :rolleyes:




Fuel duty (unleaded petrol) = 52.95 pence per litre. VAT (20%) is charged on the pre‑VAT price including duty, so total tax per litre = fuel duty + VAT on (pre‑tax price + duty). Using only the tax components (duty + VAT on duty and pre‑tax fuel), a convenient approximation is duty + 20% × (duty + pre‑tax price). Without assuming a pump price, the exact VAT amount on pre‑tax fuel can't be computed; commonly quoted total tax share equals duty (52.95p) plus 20% VAT on the pump price (which varies).

If you want just the duty converted to US cents per US gallon:

  • 52.95 pence per litre = £0.5295/L.
  • 1 UK litre = 0.219969 US gallons; 1 US gallon = 3.78541 litres.
  • Convert: 0.5295 £/L × 3.78541 L/gal = £2.003 per US gallon.
  • Using £1 = $1.27 (example exchange rate; final step depends on current rate) gives $2.543/gal. In US cents: $2.543 = 254.3 cents/gal.
If you prefer the duty in cents per gallon using only a precise currency conversion you provide, tell me the exchange rate to use and I’ll convert exactly.

Sources: UK government fuel duty rates (unleaded petrol 0.5295 £/L).
 
As predicted in my April 24th post, the EV cash cow is ripe for slaughter. They are replacing picking your pocket by a single method with two.

House bill proposes $130 annual tax on EV's with a $5 yearly increase.
This would seem to be on top of whatever your state charges for an EV tax.

Waiting for the EV grid tax on top of the tax you already pay for the electricity, and the EV solar tax for non-grid charging.

It seems that all financial incentives but one are now close to being moot. Lower maintenance being the sole survivor.
Of course, the Greenies can still delude themselves about saving the planet and rock that Greta sticker right next to the rainbow one on the back of their Suburu EV.

If you're so inclined you can do the math, but it looks like a 30 mpg Toyota will have to drive about 35K per year for the gas tax to match the state and Federal EV tax.

 
Of course, the Greenies can still delude themselves about saving the planet and rock that Greta sticker right next to the rainbow one on the back of their Suburu EV.

SubAru has one EV (Solterra), and it hasn't sold for shit. Now they're coming up with a new EV model. My guess is it will also sell for shit.
 
SubAru has one EV (Solterra), and it hasn't sold for shit. Now they're coming up with a new EV model. My guess is it will also sell for shit.
Actually, they have three, with a fourth being introduced later this year.

Uncharted, Trailseeker, and Solterra, with Getaway coming in the Fall.
 
Uncharted, Trailseeker, and Solterra, with Getaway coming in the Fall.

I knew about the Solterra. Heard about the new Trailseeker. But I had not heard of the others.

How are these companies not smart enough to know that you cannot force a product on the free market?
 
I knew about the Solterra. Heard about the new Trailseeker. But I had not heard of the others.

How are these companies not smart enough to know that you cannot force a product on the free market?
Subaru was late to the EV party, not bringing an EV to market until 2022.
Subaru also didn't do their homework on what buyers wanted. Their cars had less range, slow charging speeds, no charging network.

Today they are catching up but still have a way to go to win converts.
The two biggest improvements have been faster charging, and now having a NACS charge socket and access to Tesla Superchargers. They also offer AWD and ground clearance for the off road crowd, but still fall short in having a proven product that has been on the market for years, brand recognition, and range that is just OK. Tesla also has them beat on bells and whistles that matter to the EV buyer.

It remains to be seen if they can overcome these issues and become a player. If the build quality is the same as their ICE offerings, they will already have Tesla beat on that metric.

Maybe if they target the blued haired, septum ring, dog grooming, population of Portland and Seatle, they can save the brand. Offer a free "Save the Whales" bumper sticker and two free bricks for the next mostly peaceful protest with every purchase. 😋
 
Maybe if they target the blued haired, septum ring, dog grooming, population of Portland and Seatle, they can save the brand. Offer a free "Save the Whales" bumper sticker and two free bricks for the next mostly peaceful protest with every purchase. 😋

They have already FAMOUSLY targeted that demographic. Nevertheless... their EV failed miserably. It's got nothing to do with whether they target that demographic (they have for a LONG time) or not. It's a matter of the majority of ALL demographics rejecting EVs.
 
Like I've said many times...

The range has to go up.
The price has to come down.
The charging network has to be as easy to access as a gas pump. No account, no app, no adapters.

#1 and #2 have made progress in that direction.
#3 is lagging. While it's better than it was a few years ago, it still has a way to go to be as convenient as gas.

Progress has been made in Tesla allowing access to other OEM EV's (but not conversions)
NACS is looking like it is gravitating towards being the dominant standard in new production.
The EU forced Tesla and other OEMs to adopt the CCS2 standard and open source so any EV can charge on any rapid charger.
Our politicians didn't do that and what we have here is less efficient, more cumbersome, and more costly.
 
Like I've said many times...

The range has to go up.
The price has to come down.
The charging network has to be as easy to access as a gas pump. No account, no app, no adapters.

#1 and #2 have made progress in that direction.
#3 is lagging. While it's better than it was a few years ago, it still has a way to go to be as convenient as gas.

Progress has been made in Tesla allowing access to other OEM EV's (but not conversions)
NACS is looking like it is gravitating towards being the dominant standard in new production.
The EU forced Tesla and other OEMs to adopt the CCS2 standard and open source so any EV can charge on any rapid charger.
Our politicians didn't do that and what we have here is less efficient, more cumbersome, and more costly.

Until I can charge up in 3 minutes to a full charge with no waiting in line to get to a charger.... I'm simply not interested. And I PROMISE you that MOST people feel exactly the same way.

And actually, if I'm honest, even that wouldn't convert me. I'm not interested in an iPad on wheels that can be controlled and shut off by the auto manufacturer or the gov't.

EVs, even in the most optimistic of technological forms, hold no appeal to me... and most other people.
 
Until I can charge up in 3 minutes to a full charge with no waiting in line to get to a charger.... I'm simply not interested. And I PROMISE you that MOST people feel exactly the same way.

And actually, if I'm honest, even that wouldn't convert me. I'm not interested in an iPad on wheels that can be controlled and shut off by the auto manufacturer or the gov't.

EVs, even in the most optimistic of technological forms, hold no appeal to me... and most other people.
Well, a new EV, no, me either.

But I would like a classic conversion. Simpler. No touchscreen, no self driving mode, no kill switch.
The lack of maintenance and the lack of tech would appeal to us geezers who can do without bling and just want a reliable classic that reminds them of their youth without being an iPad on wheels that the dealership may or may not be able to fix. And then good luck when it's out of warranty.
 
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