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[bkbrno]

The damage is consistent with what I've seen with my own two eyes. Not my doing of course. Along with bore sighters, add mud from carrying in the field, stuck patches, cleaning rods. Keep in mind, many have done this and kept it quiet. It's the younger generation that has to document and post, for all the world to see, all the stupid shit they do. Small percentage of firearm history is documented this way. Most people have the common sense to shut up, pay the stupid tax, and move on a little smarter.

What are the odds of one round of factory ammo being overloaded at the same moment you have a bore obstruction?

I have seen .22LR bolt action rifles with bulged barrels because someone had a squib round and tried to shoot out the stuck bullet. Next time, at a gun show, take a look at old .22s. you will see at least one with a bulge in the barrel. Full price of course.

If I use a bore sighter at the range, I leave mags and ammo locked in the car until done sighting. Then I put the bore sighter in the car and exchange it for the bag with ammo.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

The damage is consistent with what I've seen with my own two eyes. Not my doing of course. Along with bore sighters, add mud from carrying in the field, stuck patches, cleaning rods. Keep in mind, many have done this and kept it quiet. It's the younger generation that has to document and post, for all the world to see, all the stupid shit they do. Small percentage of firearm history is documented this way. Most people have the common sense to shut up, pay the stupid tax, and move on a little smarter.

What are the odds of one round of factory ammo being overloaded at the same moment you have a bore obstruction?

I have seen .22LR bolt action rifles with bulged barrels because someone had a squib round and tried to shoot out the stuck bullet. Next time, at a gun show, take a look at old .22s. you will see at least one with a bulge in the barrel. Full price of course.

If I use a bore sighter at the range, I leave mags and ammo locked in the car until done sighting. Then I put the bore sighter in the car and exchange it for the bag with ammo.

I've seen shotguns with ruined barrels because they got mud in them. And 22's with a bulge. But barrels stripped back like Moeisha's fingernails? That takes more than a boresight that is just sitting in the barrel, loosely held in place by an o-ring. I believe there had to be a solid obstruction. The damage is clear enough. I just challenge the story the gunshop shared about how it happened. Forgetting the bore sight was in the barrel somehow seems less stupid than putting a round thru a gun he never bothered to safety check. Or putting the wrong ammo in the gun.

 

[bkbrno]

I've been witness to similar damage. It doesn't seem odd to me. Whether it peels back an inch or all of it is luck of the draw. Depends on barrel profile and a thousand other variables.

I suppose a bench rest bull barrel would peel less than a light weight thin profile spaghetti noodle thick barrel. They will all be damaged by an obstruction. How much they peel depends on how much mass of steel is resisting the peeling. An interesting engineering exercise and I'm not an engineer. Just a country kid that's seen a few examples of "hold my beer, watch this".

It would take true dedication to shove a 300 Win Mag into a 30.06 chamber. 30.06 into a .270 has been done. Highest pressure is at chamber and by the time the bullet gets to the end, it's swaged down and not an issue there.

 

[Bobster]

But barrels stripped back like Moeisha's fingernails?

A little OT but I got tasked with "ensuring ultimate safety" with a couple that came in to shoot a G17 on Public Day. The guy at the gate where guests initially sign-in radioed-in that we had a "special" couple coming in. Once at our range, I noticed one of the other RSOs speaking R E A L slowwww to them going over the rules.

The guy in the couple wasn't too bad and shot ok so I didn't need to pay much attention to him. The girl was a total noob and had 2" long fingernails. I mentioned to her that the nails weren't the most practical length for many activities, especially shooting a gun. But I succeeded in getting her to shoot fairly "safely" after only having to tell her to get her finger off the trigger over 20 times.

She still couldn't understand the concept of aligning the sights and had trouble hitting paper at 7yds. I tried all my tricks and even lined up the pistol in my hand on the table at one of four orange dots in the corners of a splat target. I had her look down the sights and tell me which dot I was pointing at and she picked correctly. But she still couldn't get bullets to hit on the paper. Maybe one out of five? There was very little flinch and looking down the sights from behind her it "looked" like she was aiming OK but I just couldn't figure it out. Maybe she was aiming with the lazy eye? We all breathed a sigh of relief once they left...

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I've been witness to similar damage. It doesn't seem odd to me. Whether it peels back an inch or all of it is luck of the draw. Depends on barrel profile and a thousand other variables.

I suppose a bench rest bull barrel would peel less than a light weight thin profile spaghetti noodle thick barrel. They will all be damaged by an obstruction. How much they peel depends on how much mass of steel is resisting the peeling. An interesting engineering exercise and I'm not an engineer. Just a country kid that's seen a few examples of "hold my beer, watch this".

It would take true dedication to shove a 300 Win Mag into a 30.06 chamber. 30.06 into a .270 has been done. Highest pressure is at chamber and by the time the bullet gets to the end, it's swaged down and not an issue there.

True. The wrong or poorly loaded ammo would likely blow the chamber apart, probably not the end of the barrel. Unless the round met with resistance on the way out.

People do stupid things, win stupid prizes.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

A little OT but I got tasked with "ensuring ultimate safety" with a couple that came in to shoot a G17 on Public Day. The guy at the gate where guests initially sign-in radioed-in that we had a "special" couple coming in. Once at our range, I noticed one of the other RSOs speaking R E A L slowwww to them going over the rules.

The guy in the couple wasn't too bad and shot ok so I didn't need to pay much attention to him. The girl was a total noob and had 2" long fingernails. I mentioned to her that the nails weren't the most practical length for many activities, especially shooting a gun. But I succeeded in getting her to shoot fairly "safely" after only having to tell her to get her finger off the trigger over 20 times.

She still couldn't understand the concept of aligning the sights and had trouble hitting paper at 7yds. I tried all my tricks and even lined up the pistol in my hand on the table at one of four orange dots in the corners of a splat target. I had her look down the sights and tell me which dot I was pointing at and she picked correctly. But she still couldn't get bullets to hit on the paper. Maybe one out of five? There was very little flinch and looking down the sights from behind her it "looked" like she was aiming OK but I just couldn't figure it out. Maybe she was aiming with the lazy eye? We all breathed a sigh of relief once they left...

I dont have your patience.

 

[Racer88]

She still couldn't understand the concept of aligning the sights and had trouble hitting paper at 7yds. I tried all my tricks and even lined up the pistol in my hand on the table at one of four orange dots in the corners of a splat target. I had her look down the sights and tell me which dot I was pointing at and she picked correctly. But she still couldn't get bullets to hit on the paper. Maybe one out of five? There was very little flinch and looking down the sights from behind her it "looked" like she was aiming OK but I just couldn't figure it out. Maybe she was aiming with the lazy eye? We all breathed a sigh of relief once they left...

I use my SIRT laser training pistol for teaching noobs grip, trigger control, sight alignment, and sight picture. Works great for that. BEFORE they shoot.

 

[Bobster]

I dont have your patience.

Neither do I.
There were a few club members watching us including the president and commented the same thing...
On the plus side, the hour or so I spent with them went by fairly quickly.

I use my SIRT laser training pistol for teaching noobs grip, trigger control, sight alignment, and sight picture. Works great for that. BEFORE they shoot.

The club is on leased county land. Part of the lease agreement is to provide a "Public Day" where the range is open free to the public once a month. It is supposed to be ALL day but we usually wrap it up around noontime. Our goal is two-fold: (1) to satisfy the lease agreement and not get any complaints and (2) to promote the club and get new members to join.

Keep in mind we are Range Safety Officers and not Firearms Instructors. So we are told NOT to provide extended instruction and I/we generally don't. Some guys will get in there and spend a little too much time with a guest, especially a pretty one. I believe people learn by doing so I'll get in, give a tip or two, then get out and observe. Although I see great value in a SIRT pistol, that is beyond the scope of our mission and potentially increases our liability as we are not insured to "train" people.

With "new" guests one of us will usually accompany the group (or person) and have them unload while the range is "hot for handling". Guns/ammo on front table/counter; case, targets, etc. on back table. When the range goes "cold" we'll make sure they don't touch the guns or ammo on the front table. When the range goes "hot" we'll observe and provide tips/pointers as necessary. I look for impending slide bite, proper grip, trigger discipline and muzzles not pointed at berm with noobs and will immediately correct before harm is done. Then I'll observe and re-correct, if necessary.

Occasionally we'll have to demo manual of arms and I'm big on a guest being able to unload their firearm and lay it on the table ejection port up and open. This is required when we go cold. I discourage partners of noobs wanting to help with this--if a noob is serious they will want to do this themselves. I have "tricks" I will show them for those with limited hand strength.

With the couple described above, they wanted me to provide "extra" special treatment and since the guy mostly knew what he was doing, I gave the girl a quick lesson, loaded one round, had her fire, had her load one and fire, then a few more and so on. All the while telling her "Finger out of the trigger hole until ready to fire!" every time there was an infraction and there were dozens. I suspect the long nails were interfering with finger in/out and I did comment about it. I have a calm, matter-of-fact demeanor so when I raise my voice to emphasize safety infractions, it is noticed. They alternated use of the gun so it wasn't ALL instruction/observation...