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They are 10,000 feet above current sea level. There is no amount of geoengineering that can reverse that kind of sea level change.
Back then, surely the media and politicians were taxing everyone in order to fund the effort to stop sea level drop! ;) And Rock-sla cars were all the rage.

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Why not recognize the world is changing as the evidence is abundant and obvious. Unleash human resourcefulness and creativity to allow us to adapt to and thrive in the world as it changes rather than trying to hold the environment to some idealized standard. Seems like a fool's errand to try to hold the ocean back.
Exactly as I implied in my previous comment. We can adapt. But human specks can do NOTHING to change what is largely driven by solar activity. Perhaps we should tell those folks living on the sun to change their lifestyles (and pay more taxes) to redirect solar climate. ;)

That desert mountain outside my window was at the bottom of a sea at some point in the history of the earth. I would not rule out the possibility of it happening again.
And not a fucking thing we can do about it. Bowing to tyrants will only serve to make their lives better and ours worse before the apocalypse. ;)

So long as people will submit to arbitrary measures, so long will they find masters… more than a prevailing opinion that it is better to tamely submit than nobly assert and vindicate our privileges.” - James Otis Jr. (an American lawyer, political activist, colonial legislator, and early supporter of patriotic causes in Massachusetts Bay Colony at the beginning of the Revolutionary Era)

Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters.” - Daniel Webster

What's sad is that even intelligent people fall for it. They feel righteous and smarter than the rest of us by glomming onto the "cause celebre."
 
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Sitting at my kitchen table I have an excellent view of a craggy granite mountain range that has some horizontal bands of limestone at the top. There are seashell fossils in this limestone. They are 10,000 feet above current sea level. There is no amount of geoengineering that can reverse that kind of sea level change.

Humans are very creative and resourceful in adapting to every climate and landscape on this earth. Why not recognize the world is changing as the evidence is abundant and obvious. Unleash human resourcefulness and creativity to allow us to adapt to and thrive in the world as it changes rather than trying to hold the environment to some idealized standard. Seems like a fool's errand to try to hold the ocean back. People might have to move to higher ground despite having a hundred years or more of history on their beach property. That desert mountain outside my window was at the bottom of a sea at some point in the history of the earth. I would not rule out the possibility of it happening again.
100% agree. Very sensible.

The biggest problem is money. Like all things. The big cities will have no choice but to put billions of dollars in systems of dikes, pumps, and seawalls. Like the Netherlands. Then again, that's going to mean a lot of jobs. For decades. Civil engineers and hydrologists will figure this out.

Small beach communities and the surrounding low country... they are destined to disappear and become wetlands. People have been building on the US shoreline for a couple of centuries now. They will not be saved. Too expensive. The property will become worthless. Most low country is already a swamp. Has been for centuries. Swamps and wetlands will move further inland and the coastlines we know today will disappear for a very long time. This is natural.

I keep hearing people talking about Obama's mansion as a defense that rising sea levels are bullshit. People make shit up. Obama's palace is 30-40 feet above current sea level. Some of these neanderthals like to post photos of shorelines or the Statue of Liberty from ten miles away saying, "See?' the water is not rising!" Idiots. You really don't recognize today's 8 inches of sea level rise in the past 100 years if you live in fucking Kansas. Because a storm doesn't bring water into your living room. The Obama's (if they arent in prison) will be high and dry. Nearby Martha's Vineyard will not.

Ten thousand years ago, what is now the Susquehanna River that starts in what is now Cooperstown NY carved out the Chesapeake Bay. There was a waterfall similar to Niagara Falls where the river dumps into the sea near what is now Norfolk Virginia. Yet dumbasses think nothing ever changes and the world is in stasis because they don't see or understand the changes. Darwin's Theory will eventually take care of those who cannot adapt.

Like I have said before, some hopelessly uninformed conservatives cannot separate their deep hatred for liberal nimrods like AOC and Gore blabbering about climate change from the hard facts. Which suggests they are just as stupid as the liberals they hate. Both have something in common. Neither know what they are talking about.

Instead of climate change the mantra should be that the water is rising. Unless something drastically changes and it probably won't, we have 30-100 years before it gets really bad. So what do we do about it? As the old saying goes, you are either part of the problem or part of the solution.
 
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The biggest problem is money. Like all things. The big cities will have no choice but to put billions of dollars in systems of dikes, pumps, and seawalls. Like the Netherlands.
Rather than spending billions to live below sea level until that becomes untenable we could develop lands higher and drier.

One people group has made the desert bloom for millennia. Strangely, the eradication of this people group has become a plank in the platform of the progressive climate catastrophe left. When the waves claim the Low Countries we will still be able to get tulips from this desert oasis, among other places. I would not bet against God's people even if all the nations were to come against them bent on their destruction.

 
Rather than spending billions to live below sea level until that becomes untenable we could develop lands higher and drier.

One people group has made the desert bloom for millennia. Strangely, the eradication of this people group has become a plank in the platform of the progressive climate catastrophe left. When the waves claim the Low Countries we will still be able to get tulips from this desert oasis, among other places. I would not bet against God's people even if all the nations were to come against them bent on their destruction.

Imagine abandoning Miami or NYC. Boston too. DC is built on a swamp. Rivers, bays and tributaries will rise too. Houston, New Orleans, etc.

I expect that there will be a lot of new development in higher elevations.
 
Instacram had flagged me for false and misleading content on that post above. I dug-in, doubled down and told them to look it up and they will find that every claim is true. They soon lifted their flag off my post.
 
King Tides and Hurricanes don't count. They are Cyclical.
When the normal water level increases, the tide does as well. King tides are cyclical, as are storms. When normal is 8 inches higher, so is the tide. It is not unusual for a normal high tide to be around 3.5 feet. It varies slightly depending on the season. A king tide can be a foot or more above normal. So if your home is four feet above sea level, it's simple arithmetic. You have water in your living room.

A storm surge from a nor'easter is often 5 or six feet and it goes on for days. Not like a hurricane that comes and goes. The surf compromises the dunes, and what's behind it floods.

Hurricanes are mostly irrelevant to sea level rise. It's mainly about temperature. Warmer water is fuel and intensifies them and tends to increase the number of storms that form. Here's what hurricane storm surge looks like. If you live on a beach, eight inches of sea level rise makes no difference at all - when a Cat 3 and 8 feet of water rolls in.

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I have been witnessing shorelines, wetlands and how water and weather in those area behave since I was a kid. The hunting/fishing/crabbing shack on my property in the outer banks has been there since the 1920s and the floor never got wet until the past ten years or so. It's happened 2-3 times now.

A former neighbor in land locked Atlanta told me sea level rise was bullshit because his family has had a lake house in TN for decades. He thinks a lake formed by a dam is the same as the ocean. He also mentioned the water is retreating because of drought. Therefore so is the ocean. In that case, the state rested. The defendant was declared non compos mentis.

Hating Democrats makes some believe they are also climatologists - just like Gore, Kerry, and Greta. Those who confuse politics with meteorology. As I mentioned to a frequent troll... If you agree to stay in your lane I promise not to come to Kansas to preach that the dust bowl was fake news and to educate Kansans on wheat farming and why tornadoes happen. :)

Local fishermen, crabbers, and oystermen whose families have made a living on the water for generations all tell me the same thing. The water is rising and it's having a significant impact them. I wanted to build a home on the coastal land that my family has owned for 100 years. The risk is too high. I wish it wasn't.
 
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When the normal water level increases, the tide does as well. King tides are cyclical, as are storms. When normal is 8 inches higher, so is the tide. It is not unusual for a normal high tide to be around 3.5 feet. It varies slightly depending on the season. A king tide can be a foot or more above normal. So if your home is four feet above sea level, it's simple arithmetic. You have water in your living room.

A storm surge from a nor'easter is often 5 or six feet and it goes on for days. Not like a hurricane that comes and goes. The surf compromises the dunes, and what's behind it floods.

Hurricanes are mostly irrelevant to sea level rise. It's mainly about temperature. Warmer water is fuel and intensifies them and tends to increase the number of storms that form. Here's what hurricane storm surge looks like. If you live on a beach, eight inches of sea level rise makes no difference at all - when a Cat 3 and 8 feet of water rolls in.

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I have been witnessing shorelines, wetlands and how water and weather in those area behave since I was a kid. The hunting/fishing/crabbing shack on my property in the outer banks has been there since the 1920s and the floor never got wet until the past ten years or so. It's happened 2-3 times now.

A former neighbor in land locked Atlanta told me sea level rise was bullshit because his family has had a lake house in TN for decades. He thinks a lake formed by a dam is the same as the ocean. He also mentioned the water is retreating because of drought. Therefore so is the ocean. In that case, the state rested. The defendant was declared non compos mentis.

Hating Democrats makes some believe they are also climatologists - just like Gore, Kerry, and Greta. Those who confuse politics with meteorology. As I mentioned to a frequent troll... If you agree to stay in your lane I promise not to come to Kansas to preach that the dust bowl was fake news and to educate Kansans on wheat farming and why tornadoes happen. :)

Local fishermen, crabbers, and oystermen whose families have made a living on the water for generations all tell me the same thing. The water is rising and it's having a significant impact them. I wanted to build a home on the coastal land that my family has owned for 100 years. The risk is too high. I wish it wasn't.
NONE of that is due to what I drive or don't drive. None of it is anthropogenic / human-caused. NONE of it. I don't have to prove that it isn't. You / they have to prove that it is. It's a logical fallacy to demand proof of a negative.

King tides are nothing new. They've been around for longer than mankind. I live in Florida (a long time now). There is no increase in frequency or severity of tides. If you live on the ocean or waterways, you KNOW this is a risk of living there. Same goes with hurricanes. Some seasons are "busy." But we haven't had any in several years now. Good thing I'm driving a Subaru with a turbo engine! ;) Correlation does not equal causation, and multiple anecdotes do not make data.
 
NONE of that is due to what I drive or don't drive. None of it is anthropogenic / human-caused. NONE of it. I don't have to prove that it isn't. You / they have to prove that it is. It's a logical fallacy to demand proof of a negative.

King tides are nothing new. They've been around for longer than mankind. I live in Florida (a long time now). There is no increase in frequency or severity of tides. If you live on the ocean or waterways, you KNOW this is a risk of living there. Same goes with hurricanes. Some seasons are "busy." But we haven't had any in several years now. Good thing I'm driving a Subaru with a turbo engine! ;) Correlation does not equal causation, and multiple anecdotes do not make data.
Of course there is. A change has already occurred because sea level has risen. This is not up for debate. So a king tide that was four feet 100 years ago is now 4 four feet 8 inches. It makes no difference that some prediction from whenever or whomever was wrong. The increase simply is what it is.

It is also false that the behavior of tides never change. They change all the time. And they have increased.

Living on a beach is of course a known risk. You can always sell. And probably should depending on how old you are or how long you plan to stay. Nobody can determine with any certainty if sea levels will continue to increase. Betting that it won't is ....gambling. Which I never do. It's true one significant volcano could cool the Earth for 2-3 years. So we can agree what's happening is unpredictable. I have already said at least ten times I don't care or know why it's happening. It simply is. When the sea is a foot above where it was 100 years ago, that's a problem. If it's two feet, that is very serious. If it's yard, the today's coastal cities will be unlivable without significant civil projects to manage the water. Those take 1, possibly 2 decades to build. And fund. The risk is... if coastal cities and states bet it's not happening and are wrong, the water is going to do what it's going to do when it is going to do it. Meaning there's not enough time to mitigate flooding thru those large scale public works.

I guess we will just have to wait and see. In the meantime, Floridians here can argue with FSU about what's going on in Florida. Sea Level Rise - Florida Climate Center


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Me... like I said. I don't care. I just find denial amusing. And gambling is not my thing.
 
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It's true one significant volcano could cool the Earth for 2-3 years. So we can agree what's happening is unpredictable.
Very.

This one erupted at the Goldilocks depth of the ocean sending a significant volume of water vapor into the atmosphere, causing warmer and wetter weather in its wake. The UN should throw the island of Tonga in jail for Crimes Against the Climate.


All entities found to be in possession of a volcano should be forced to buy carbon credits to pay for tree planting or more climate studies or something.

#Demand Climate Justice NOW!
 
like I said. I don't care. I just find denial amusing. And gambling is not my thing.
I have already said at least ten times I don't care or know why it's happening. It simply is.

Ah, but here's why I do care (about why it's NOT happening).... Because there is a powerful faction that wants to penalize me through either taxes, seizures, bans, prohibitions, and ultimately CONTROL of my lifestyle based on the FALSE notion that human behavior is causing this, and they're going to save us from ourselves... mostly by taking and keeping or squandering our money.

It is abundantly clear that they cannot do a fucking thing about anything related to climate change... if for no other reason, Physics and the Laws of Thermodynamics. Puny humans can't do a fucking thing about it. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. The only thing we can do is ADAPT.

But, unlike you, I've got a HUUUUUGE problem with being blamed and penalized for the provably false accusation of CAUSING climate change.
 
Ah, but here's why I do care (about why it's NOT happening).... Because there is a powerful faction that wants to penalize me through either taxes, seizures, bans, prohibitions, and ultimately CONTROL of my lifestyle based on the FALSE notion that human behavior is causing this, and they're going to save us from ourselves... mostly by taking and keeping or squandering our money.

It is abundantly clear that they cannot do a fucking thing about anything related to climate change... if for no other reason, Physics and the Laws of Thermodynamics. Puny humans can't do a fucking thing about it. If it's going to happen, it's going to happen. The only thing we can do is ADAPT.

But, unlike you, I've got a HUUUUUGE problem with being blamed and penalized for the provably false accusation of CAUSING climate change.
If public works projects are needed, then they have to be funded. You can't start the project when Miami Beach is flooding. So unfortunately, us and those who come after us are going to get taxed for it. Sea level rise is very slow. There's time to prepare for what might happen. If nothing else, be better prepared for storms and suffer less property damage.

It's important to bear in mind that the cost of doing nothing may not be zero. It could be in the billions.

I agree they are trying to guilt people into thinking this is caused by industrialization and all that entails. Regrettably, we are going to be penalized whether we like it or not.
 
Very.

This one erupted at the Goldilocks depth of the ocean sending a significant volume of water vapor into the atmosphere, causing warmer and wetter weather in its wake. The UN should throw the island of Tonga in jail for Crimes Against the Climate.


All entities found to be in possession of a volcano should be forced to buy carbon credits to pay for tree planting or more climate studies or something.

#Demand Climate Justice NOW!
Yea. Like those people on western Oregon and Washington. They have volcanos. Also on a major fault line. They already have too many trees. So now what? :)
 
If public works projects are needed, then they have to be funded. You can't start the project when Miami Beach is flooding. So unfortunately, us and those who come after us are going to get taxed for it. Sea level rise is very slow. There's time to prepare for what might happen. If nothing else, be better prepared for storms and suffer less property damage.
They can be funded by people in the state.
 
I would like to mention that while watching the world weather on DW (Deutsche Welle) last night, about 75% of the world was forecast to have over 80°F weather today. That includes both southern and northern hemispheres... :unsure:
 
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