Video Climate change is a money-grabbing hoax, and the Deputy Sec of Energy proves it.

[Racer88]

I would like to mention that while watching the world weather on DW (Deutsche Welle) last night, about 75% of the world was forecast to have over 80°F weather today. That includes both southern and northern hemispheres...

OMG! 80, you say??? 80!?? Run for the hills!

 

[no4mk1t]

I would like to mention that while watching the world weather on DW (Deutsche Welle) last night, about 75% of the world was forecast to have over 80°F weather today. That includes both southern and northern hemispheres...

And yet, after the highs being over 90°F for the last 40 days, with triple digit real feel temps, setting a new record here, it is 65°F with a high of 68°F today. Not forecast to hit 80°F until the weekend. Been like this since Friday.
So, a whole week not busting 80°F in August. Never happened since I've lived here.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

 

[no4mk1t]

What will Al and Greta do?
This is what they were saying in 1977.

I guess "Global Warming" has lost its shock value on Gen X and the money is drying up.
Time to bring the old boogeyman out of the closet and present him as new.
Need a fresh infusion of grant money to study the effects of too much sea ice and sea level drop.

 

[Alex]

Another headline they got wrong, "Detante, Why We Can't Beat the Soviets".

 

[One Ping Only]

Get out the dead horse beating gif

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I put crabs and lobsters in an ice bath before boiling or steaming them. It has an anesthetic effect. Even though they are crustaceans with a brain the size of a BB, I see no need for them suffer.

Those young enough to live another 50 years or so might want to consider buying an ice machine and large bathtub.

While most climate change propaganda is informed speculation at best, and utter bullshit at worst, there is one undeniable fact that things are warming up. Denying it is denying the data. Which is unwise.

In a way, it's a lesson in situational awareness. The only data that you should really pay attention to is ocean surface temperature. As you can see, there are variances/shifts over a decade. It goes up and down and this is what climate climate change charlatans and deniers tend to focus on. The wise person look at the long term trend.

So when some idiot tells you.... "See? There's more ice this year than last year", you know he's an idiot whose girlfriend did his math and science homework. Or in other words... like my last post on another thread, he's the squirrel that gets run over.

 

[Racer88]

I put crabs and lobsters in an ice bath before boiling or steaming them. It has an anesthetic effect. Even though they are crustaceans with a brain the size of a BB, I see no need for them suffer.

Those young enough to live another 50 years or so might want to consider buying an ice machine and large bathtub.

While most climate change propaganda is informed speculation at best, and utter bullshit at worst, there is one undeniable fact that things are warming up. Denying it is denying the data. Which is unwise.

In a way, it's a lesson in situational awareness. The only data that you should really pay attention to is ocean surface temperature. As you can see, there are variances/shifts over a decade. It goes up and down and this is what climate climate change charlatans and deniers tend to focus on. The wise person look at the long term trend.

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So when some idiot tells you.... "See? There's more ice this year than last year", you know he's an idiot whose girlfriend did his math and science homework. Or in other words... like my last post on another thread, he's the squirrel that gets run over.

Source for that data? Independent confirmation? Anyone can make a graph. Anyone can AND HAS fabricated climate data. Remember the "hockey stick" graph bullshit? That graph means nothing. To wit...

And anyone can ENLARGE a graph to make it seem like a dramatic change... We're talking about a 0.8-C change according to THAT graph. What did the graph look like BEFORE 1880? Oh, of course we don't have that historical data. What will it look like after 2020???

But what we DO have here... ASSUMING it's actually accurate... is a ZERO-POINT-EIGHT degree Celsius (1.4-degrees Fahrenheit) increase over the course of a mere FIFTY years, which is but a TINY slice of geologic time. TINY, tiny, TINY!

From a SCIENTIFIC perspective, it is quite literally insignificant. It means nothing. And to suggest it is anthropogenic is scientifically PREPOSTEROUS, in direct contradiction to the Laws of Thermodynamics. The notion that puny humans can have an impact on the energy SYSTEM that is the Earth's climate is LAUGHABLE in light of the Laws of Physics. If ALL the humans on Earth today were eliminated (dead), it would not change the climate AT ALL. Of course we wouldn't be here to measure anything. But the Laws of Physics would not be dead.

It's funny that you mocked the people who say, "See there's more ice this year than last year?" Because you are doing the EXACT same thing with that graph that shows less than a degree increase over a mere 50 years. 50 years is just as insignificant in terms of geologic time as is one year. It's fucking NOTHING.

It means nothing, but con artists and tyrannical opportunists and the "useful idiot" sycophantic followers will vacuously and FALSELY don the mantle of "science" while unwittingly revealing their ignorance AND their agenda to CONTROL us. Unfortunately, there are enough blind followers out there (who find this a way to feel important, signficant, and delusionally RIGHTEOUS) to have a detrimental social, financial, and regulatory impact.

 

[no4mk1t]

Regardless of whether Climate Change is or is not a hoax, my post was meant to poke fun at those who literally reverse course on the topic and expect everyone to swallow it whole.
Like in Orwell's 1984 where your enemy in the never-ending war is now your ally, and your ally is now your enemy. Just because we said so.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Statista. No government or interest group affiliation. All they do is publish data on a huge range of subjects. They are data aggregators that academia, research firms like Nielsen, think tanks, consultancies, etc often use. Credible and been around a long time.

A rise of a few single digits on ocean temperature can cause extinction of sea life on a grand scale. Like Einstein said about bees... When the ocean is dead, we are next. Water temp affects weather. Unpredictably, but it matters The most obvious proof of this is that warm water is hurricane fuel. No meteorologist or climatologist denies this. Whether they agree that warming is man made or not.

At 3 degrees C increase, the marine ecosystem collapses. The reason for this is warm water is depleted of oxygen to the point where there isnt enough oxygen in the water to sustain life. Like how humans cant breathe at high altitude because the air is so thin.

An increase of 1.5 Degrees C, coral is damaged. Amn increase of 2 degrees C, all coral dies. Point is... the higher it goes the worse the extinction and the cascading effects of such a massive ecological change.

I find it amusing that deniers also act like temperature change, the makeup of the atmosphere, etc. has never happened before and will never happen again. Like my ex wife, who was certain the world revolved around her.

There is no sign of the temperature moderating. Going flat or down. Only up. So in the absence of data that shows it will decrease, you have to assume it's going to continue to rise. What's causing it...? Nobody is 100% certain. The point is it's happening. And on a 50 or 100 year timeline, if it continues to increase, which the data says it is, that's not good. As you said, that's the blink of an eye.

We will all be dead before things go sideways if the trend continues. Personally, I dont give a fuck what happens a century from now. I just find it interesting.

 

[Racer88]

Regardless of whether Climate Change is or is not a hoax, my post was meant to poke fun at those who literally reverse course on the topic and expect everyone to swallow it whole.

Ultimately it is about ONE thing... OK... TWO things: Money and CONTROL. It's not that climate change itself is a "hoax." Clearly climate on Earth has gone through many many changes. Some of the biggest changes were before the dawn of Man.

The hoax is that it's anthropogenic (caused by humans) and that THEY have the "answer." All we have to do is give them more money AND let them control our lives.

I find it amusing that deniers also act like temperature change, the makeup of the atmosphere, etc. has never happened before and will never happen again.

BINGO! It happens with or without us. NONE of it is anthropogenic. We CAN'T cause it. Nor can WE change it. And the use of the pejorative "deniers" is tacit proof that your side has no valid argument. Just name-calling.

Oh... Statista is NOT a scientific organization, nor is it a citation. Statista just gathers reports and publishes them on the web. What is the actual source of the data? Not that it really matters, because the chart is but a tiny tiny vignette of time geologically.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

I wouldn't go so far as to say nothing can be done. It's widely accepted that if you put enough dust in the atmosphere we will be freezing our nuts off for a decade and crops will fail right away. Global thermonuclear war is one way to do that. It's important to not get too friendly with neighbors because you may have to eat them.

 

[Racer88]

I wouldn't go so far as to say nothing can be done. It's widely accepted that if you put enough dust in the atmosphere we will be freezing our nuts off for a decade and crops will fail right away. Global thermonuclear war is one way to do that. It's important to not get too friendly with neighbors because you may have to eat them.

But HUMANS can't put that much dust in the air. Volcanoes maybe. Asteroid hit, sure. Thousands of nuclear bomb detonations? Maybe. But driving our ICE cars? Literally impossible.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

There are theories about putting vapor into the upper atmosphere - like cloud seeding - to block solar radiation. Also a giant sunscreen in orbit.

Both extreme measures, but not impossible.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Ultimately it is about ONE thing... OK... TWO things: Money and CONTROL. It's not that climate change itself is a "hoax." Clearly climate on Earth has gone through many many changes. Some of the biggest changes were before the dawn of Man.

The hoax is that it's anthropogenic (caused by humans) and that THEY have the "answer." All we have to do is give them more money AND let them control our lives.


BINGO! It happens with or without us. NONE of it is anthropogenic. We CAN'T cause it. Nor can WE change it. And the use of the pejorative "deniers" is tacit proof that your side has no valid argument. Just name-calling.

Oh... Statista is NOT a scientific organization, nor is it a citation. Statista just gathers reports and publishes them on the web. What is the actual source of the data? Not that it really matters, because the chart is but a tiny tiny vignette of time geologically.

They disclose source if you are a subscriber. It’s common to reject all data as unverified among those who disagree with it. There is no debate about rising ocean temps. It’s true and nobody says it isn’t happening. The debate is why. Not if.

Temperature is one thing that can't be disputed. Thermometers don't lie. Sea level rise is a different thing. I find this tool fascinating. You can decide how much the oceans will rise and see what happens. Sea Level Rise and Coastal Flooding Impacts

 

[Racer88]

It’s common to reject all data as unverified among those who disagree with it.

No. I reject "data" that has NO source. Statista isn't a source. It has nothing to do with "disagreeing" with it. Show me the fucking source. I'm a scientist. I do NOT accept "data" because it's been regurgitated repeatedly without citation. In the world of Science, you cannot make claims of data without either reference / citation or methodology used in collecting that data, if you did it yourself. That is the BARE-ASS minimum. Without that, you'd be laughed off the stage or be refused publication.

Refusing to cite source or methodology is singularly self-refuting. There is no further discussion.

But again... even if we are to "accept" that chart, it is a laughably short period of time, geologically-speaking. A 50-year "trend" is NOT a trend in geologic terms.

Furthermore, anthropogenic climate change is physically impossible (Laws of Thermodynamics). So, as it is impossible for us to cause it, it is equally impossible for us to prevent it. To claim that we can is nothing more than a HUGELY EGO-driven delusion at best.... and a nefarious and tyrannical justification to control people and transfer wealth at worst. The evidence points to the latter.

 

[Bongo Lewi]

NASA and NOAA scientists must have fun making up all these lies. Bad scientists. Maybe evil scientists. I consider the data credible.

"Temperatures during the warm periods on Earth three million years ago — when sea levels were dozens of feet higher than today — were only around 3 degrees Celsius warmer than pre-industrial levels,” said Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York. “We are halfway to Pliocene-level warmth in just 150 years.”

Perspective in terms of time? World War 1 was approximately 112 years ago. The generation of the grandparents of many members here. Thus, 150 years from now your great grandkids may experience half the Pliocene-level conditions. The data seems to suggest it's possible.

Do I care what happens 150 years from now? Not really. I'l be dead. Point is we aren't talking about a million years. We are talking about two generations from now. And the change, if it continues, will not happen all at once. It's slow and gradual.

Now, forget about Al Gore and AOC, photos of sad polar bears and dead fish for a moment. Let's pretend that NASA and NOAA scientists aren't making this shit up. Go back to the sea level tool I posted and run sea level up to half Pliocene levels and observe what's under water 150 years from now. Taking into account that it happens gradually. An inch. Then six inches. Then a foot... then 15 feet.

Geologists, Palentologists, and other PhDs who study these things estimate Pliocene sea levels somewhere around 30 feet higher than today. It's impossible to be exact because the continents have shifted and shorelines constantly change.

 

[Racer88]

Oh no.... NASA has NEVER used deception! LOL!

Again (as I've correctly already pointed out)... even if the data is credible, a 50-year "trend" is geologically insignificant. It means NOTHING. It means no more than a 1-year spike in either direction.

And AGAIN... puny humans can neither cause nor prevent climate change, based on the Laws of Thermodynamics. The amount of energy put out by humans is but a tiny tiny drop in the ocean of energy that runs the Earth's climate (namely the Sun).

 

[Bongo Lewi]

Yea. They faked the moon landing too. All 13 of 'em. It must be true because people on social media say so.

Just the same... you may want to leave a memoir for your descendants explaining why you refused to buy an EV. I can only imagine the sad little faces of the great grandkids in living in Water World.

 

[Racer88]

Yea. They faked the moon landing too. All 13 of 'em. It must be true because people on social media say so.

Just the same... you may want to leave a memoir for your descendants explaining why you refused to buy an EV. I can only imagine the sad little faces of the great grandkids in living in Water World.

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Straw man. I do not believe the moon landings were faked. I don't believe the Earth is flat.

Climate change data (some of it) has been PROVEN to be false / fabricated.