On sale for $80 for Father's Day at PSA. The kids want to buy me something gun-related and I figured this won't break their budget. I can use it on the Sig P322 or the Dagger Micro (once I get a slide for it).
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Product Review Truglo XR21 & Sig Romeo Zero RMSc Red Dot Sight Comparo: Are they worth $96?
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On sale for $80 for Father's Day at PSA. The kids want to buy me something gun-related and I figured this won't break their budget. I can use it on the Sig P322 or the Dagger Micro (once I get a slide for it).
I don't know anything about it, but a quick search reveals that it's a very good price for it. It's on Amazon for $156.
So, why not? Report back with a review!
So, why not?
Report back with a review!
UPDATE 1: I ended up getting the TruGlo then soon after PSA had the Romeo0 for the same price so I got it too! Both were a touch under $96 delivered and taxed. Both came well-packed in the same size box with the same amount of paper and took about the same amount of time to get to me (3-4 biz days). I decided to mount the Romeo0 on the P322 because SIG. I'll review the TruGlo once I swap it for the Romeo0--yes, the Romeo0 is coming off...
( @Racer88 If you ever want to tag this or any of my posts for better searchability, feel free.)
Both sights came with battery, tools and hardware. The TruGlo also came with a cleaning/polishing cloth. The TruGlo appeared to be in a retail box. The Romeo0 came in a plain box as shown. The TruGlo uses a 2032 battery while the Romeo0 is a not-so-common model. The Romeo is plastic while the TruGlo is aluminum. The retail Romeo0 appears to come with a metal shroud but is also $30 more off GB.
Installation of the Romeo0 was straightforward. Remove the original plastic rear sight and screws, install the plastic "seal" on the slide (the 3M sticker), then install the Romeo0 using the specific screws--in this case the provided 3mm. Note that these screws are shouldered and are the ONLY locating device for the Romeo--there are no pegs or anything like that on the bottom to locate it. It WAS a little tricky getting the battery up inside it but not terrible. The included wrench was the same size as the original rear sight screws and the adjustment wrench (the smaller one) was the same size as the original rear sight adjustment screws. The Romeo0 fit the P322 optics cut very well.
I was not successful in getting the Romeo0 to go into "automatic" mode. I WAS able to get it to turn on and off and to adjust the brightness with the ONE button in the middle very close to the lens (the arrow). It was fairly easy to sight in at the range and came adjusted about 3-4" left and 1" down. But that single button so close to the lens is a deal-breaker...
I've attached the instructions if anyone wants to read them. I'll review the TruGlo once I get it mounted...
Both were a touch under $96 delivered and taxed. Both came well-packed in the same size box with the same amount of paper and took about the same amount of time to get to me (3-4 biz days). I decided to mount the Romeo0 on the P322 because SIG. I'll review the TruGlo once I swap it for the Romeo0--yes, the Romeo0 is coming off... ( @Racer88 If you ever want to tag this or any of my posts for better searchability, feel free.)
Both sights came with battery, tools and hardware. The TruGlo also came with a cleaning/polishing cloth. The TruGlo appeared to be in a retail box. The Romeo0 came in a plain box as shown. The TruGlo uses a 2032 battery while the Romeo0 is a not-so-common model. The Romeo is plastic while the TruGlo is aluminum. The retail Romeo0 appears to come with a metal shroud but is also $30 more off GB.
Installation of the Romeo0 was straightforward. Remove the original plastic rear sight and screws, install the plastic "seal" on the slide (the 3M sticker), then install the Romeo0 using the specific screws--in this case the provided 3mm. Note that these screws are shouldered and are the ONLY locating device for the Romeo--there are no pegs or anything like that on the bottom to locate it.
It WAS a little tricky getting the battery up inside it but not terrible. The included wrench was the same size as the original rear sight screws and the adjustment wrench (the smaller one) was the same size as the original rear sight adjustment screws. The Romeo0 fit the P322 optics cut very well. I was not successful in getting the Romeo0 to go into "automatic" mode. I WAS able to get it to turn on and off and to adjust the brightness with the ONE button in the middle very close to the lens (the arrow). It was fairly easy to sight in at the range and came adjusted about 3-4" left and 1" down. But that single button so close to the lens is a deal-breaker...
I've attached the instructions if anyone wants to read them. I'll review the TruGlo once I get it mounted...
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I have a few of the RMR versions of this one. Really like the sight.
Are you talking the Romeo0? But where is/are the adjustment button(s)? With this one, you are supposed to hold the button down for 3sec and the dot will flash then it will supposedly go into "auto" mode or some shit--this one wouldn't. I was happy to be able to get it to turn off manually.
You have to get your fingertip in there meanwhile trying not to rub all over the inside of the lens. My fat fingertips are unable to manipulate the button so it is coming off and going back as "defective".
That's a really stupid place to put the button.Are you talking the Romeo0? But where is/are the adjustment button(s)? With this one, you are supposed to hold the button down for 3sec and the dot will flash then it will supposedly go into "auto" mode or some shit--this one wouldn't. I was happy to be able to get it to turn off manually.
If I recall correctly, @BeerHunter had a Sig Romeo optic on his EDC. The reticle was quite dim and hard to see. He switched it to a Holosun.
With this Romeo0, you have to press the button each time you want to change the intensity up or down. I think it shifts direction at the end of the adj. range. I got it to about "6" out of 8? intensity which I found to be acceptable. Then hold the button to turn it on or off, it does "remember" the last setting.
No, I have some TruGlo optics for my RMR equipped slides. Never heard anything good about the Sig Romeo optic. In fact, I know of a guy who was totally turned off by pistol optics after owning one. Tried to tell him there are better optics but if you know Sig people.........Are you talking the Romeo0? But where is/are the adjustment button(s)? With this one, you are supposed to hold the button down for 3sec and the dot will flash then it will supposedly go into "auto" mode or some shit--this one wouldn't. I was happy to be able to get it to turn off manually.
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I originally got the Sig Romeo Zero as my first ever Pistol optic for my P365X-MACRO (which happens to be the only striker-fired pistol I own), but I hated that Romeo Zero POS so much that I had to try something else, anything else! So I put a Holosun 507K-GR-X2 on the P365 and moved the Romeo Zero to my S&W22 Victory to see if I might like shooting steel with an optic, but I still hate that POS!
- like others have said, the dot on/off/brightness button is in a hideous location!
- the optic lens is PLASTIC and extremely susceptible to scratching
- seems to have trouble holding zero!
About a month ago, I went to shoot some steel with the Victory and once again, the Romeo Zero "dot" had lost its zero for the second time since I've owned it. I dug out my 1.3mm Allen bit I keep in my range bag and re-zero'ed again best I could using the iron sights, then confirmed "zero" on the smallest steel target at 50 yards, but I'm probably still going to call/write Sig at some point!
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UPDATE 2: As mentioned above, the Romeo0 came off and went back in the box and is on its way back to PSA. I hope to receive a refund because it was "defective" (ie: wouldn't go into "auto" mode). I took the opportunity to compare to the TruGlo while I had it off. Note the TruGlo is somewhat "sealed" underneath.
Romeo Zero SOR01331:
weight w/battery + screws: 13.8g, 24mm high, plastic housing
TruGlo XR21:
weight w/battery + screws: 26.1g, 26mm high, alum. housing
Unfortunately, the TruGlo did not come with 3mm screws, only 4mm. Compare to the P322 OEM rear sight screws. The Romeo0 came with both. The TruGlo also came with a cleaning cloth (not shown). The needed screws were $1.75 (.50x2+.75 for the wrench) and my local ACE took care of me. I think the screws were 12mm long and stuck out about 5mm. They were a tiny bit proud of the top of the hole but I don't think it will make a difference. Like the Romeo0, the TruGlo is held in by the screws (only).
I bench-sighted in by getting the dot lined up with the co-witness using the included wrench--it was off about a 1/2 turn windage. I have not had a chance to go to the range with the 322/TruGlo and will fine-adjust then.
My only concern is that the TruGlo is nearly double the mass of the Romeo0 and the slide is quite light in the 322 SO will that cause any malfunctions like FTFs? I had no such malfies with the Romeo0. Worst case is I go back to the OEM sights.
Another thing I don't like about the TruGlo is the blatant name on each side. I'm including pics of the instructions if anyone needs them...
Romeo Zero SOR01331:
weight w/battery + screws: 13.8g, 24mm high, plastic housing
TruGlo XR21:
weight w/battery + screws: 26.1g, 26mm high, alum. housing
Unfortunately, the TruGlo did not come with 3mm screws, only 4mm. Compare to the P322 OEM rear sight screws. The Romeo0 came with both. The TruGlo also came with a cleaning cloth (not shown). The needed screws were $1.75 (.50x2+.75 for the wrench) and my local ACE took care of me. I think the screws were 12mm long and stuck out about 5mm. They were a tiny bit proud of the top of the hole but I don't think it will make a difference. Like the Romeo0, the TruGlo is held in by the screws (only).
I bench-sighted in by getting the dot lined up with the co-witness using the included wrench--it was off about a 1/2 turn windage. I have not had a chance to go to the range with the 322/TruGlo and will fine-adjust then.
My only concern is that the TruGlo is nearly double the mass of the Romeo0 and the slide is quite light in the 322 SO will that cause any malfunctions like FTFs?
I had no such malfies with the Romeo0. Worst case is I go back to the OEM sights. Another thing I don't like about the TruGlo is the blatant name on each side.
I'm including pics of the instructions if anyone needs them...
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Sharpie?
For my Holosun, the name logo is etched through the anodized black into bare aluminum. So, I used "aluminum black" for Birchwood Casey to blacken it.
Did it a few more times to darken it even more.
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Never had an optic cause any cycling issues. Not saying it can't but I've got optics on almost all of mine and don't have issues.
UPDATE 3: Tested the TruGlo/P322 at the range Saturday. Put a target out at about 30'. After install at the bench, I had initially "eyed" and adjusted the dot so it was over the front sight. Once putting rounds on paper, I ended up adjusting the TG left to get the dot to impact the bullseye. I had to go up a little, also. So the dot does NOT truly co-wit but it is close. It DOES have the potential to mess with my OCD though... PS: the TG IS installed perfectly parallel to both sides of the slide--ie: it was "centered" before tightening.
No malfies with the "extra" weight of the TG. Ran 3 mags (about 60rds) through it with the last one being rapid fire/semi-magdump. I'll run it at the Action Steel match this Saturday to see how it shakes out.
In related news, PSA fully refunded ALL the money I paid for the Romeo0. I had hoped I could use it but the "inside" button gets a from me. The majority of the time, my experience with PSA customer service has been wonderful. But be sure to return any accessories before 30 days is up... I got denied on a S&W 15-22 mag that didn't work but in their defense it was like 90 days before I finally got around to contacting them. S&W themselves DID send me a free replacement although it took about a month before it reached me. I'll post separately on that...
PS: the TG IS installed perfectly parallel to both sides of the slide--ie: it was "centered" before tightening.No malfies with the "extra" weight of the TG.
Ran 3 mags (about 60rds) through it with the last one being rapid fire/semi-magdump. I'll run it at the Action Steel match this Saturday to see how it shakes out.In related news, PSA fully refunded ALL the money I paid for the Romeo0.
I had hoped I could use it but the "inside" button gets a from me. The majority of the time, my experience with PSA customer service has been wonderful. But be sure to return any accessories before 30 days is up... I got denied on a S&W 15-22 mag that didn't work but in their defense it was like 90 days before I finally got around to contacting them. S&W themselves DID send me a free replacement although it took about a month before it reached me. I'll post separately on that...
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Glad it all worked out for you. Once you start shooting with red dot pistol optics, it's hard to go back to only using iron sights or plastic if you have the original Glock sights.