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Bobster said:
Not really a fair shoot-off IMO... :( (ie: one-hand vs two-hand)
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The difference in technique has nothing to do with the number of hands being used. It's sighted vs instinctive shooting.
 
Racer88 said:
The difference in technique has nothing to do with the number of hands being used. It's sighted vs instinctive shooting.
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If you truly expect that some day you may have to defend yourself, then you want to practice both techniques: Aiming and instinctive/pointing.

Anybody can learn aiming if they get good instruction. have good form and practice a lot. Instinctive is harder. I've always believed there a natural ability element to it that is not an acquired skill. As the name implies it's less about discipline and more about eye/hand coordination. Kind of like how some basketball players can predictably and consistently sink a 3 pointer and others cannot.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
If you truly expect that some day you may have to defend yourself, then you want to practice both techniques: Aiming and instinctive/pointing.

Anybody can learn aiming if they get good instruction. have good form and practice a lot. Instinctive is harder. I've always believed there a natural ability element to it that is not an acquired skill. As the name implies it's less about discipline and more about eye/hand coordination. Kind of like how some basketball players can predictably and consistently sink a 3 pointer and others cannot.
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Instinctive shooting IS aiming. I see it as sights vs instinctive. Both are aiming to be pedantic. ;)

I've taken entire courses on JUST instinctive shooting. A total of 3 full days (about 24 hours) of training on shooting with no sights at all. 100% instinctive / point shooting.
 
Racer88 said:
Instinctive shooting IS aiming. I see it as sights vs instinctive. Both are aiming to be pedantic. ;)

I've taken entire courses on JUST instinctive shooting. A total of 3 full days (about 24 hours) of training on shooting with no sights at all. 100% instinctive / point shooting.
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Semantics. Instinctive is often used to describe point shooting. Technically, there are four styles:

Traditional Sight picture - needs no description.
Front Sight Focus - Jim Cirillo championed this rapid aiming style of gunfighting
Indexing - Aligning the gun with the target using whole body movement
Instinctive - Point shooting where the shooter aims a firearm without using the sights.

Even the NRA says instinctive and pointing are the same thing. An Official Journal Of The NRA | Understanding Point Shooting

Bow hunters also consider instinctive and pointing to be the same thing.
 
Bongo Lewi said:
Semantics. Instinctive is often used to describe point shooting. Technically, there are four styles:

Traditional Sight picture - needs no description.
Front Sight Focus - Jim Cirillo championed this rapid aiming style of gunfighting
Indexing - Aligning the gun with the target using whole body movement
Instinctive - Point shooting where the shooter aims a firearm without using the sights.

Even the NRA says instinctive and pointing are the same thing. An Official Journal Of The NRA | Understanding Point Shooting

Bow hunters also consider instinctive and pointing to be the same thing.
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Point and Instinctive are the same thing by my training. Two different ways of saying the same thing. More specifically / technically it's referred to as "body indexing." You're using your own body as the index for pointing / aiming the gun at the target. There is: quarter-hip, half-hip, 3/4-hip, shoulder. This was originally taught by Fairbairn & Sykes (sp?).

But it's all aiming. Point / instinctive shooting is not "unaimed" fire. It's definitely aimed. :)

Unfortunately, such training is VERY scarce, not to mention frowned upon and scorned by traditionalists.
 
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Racer88 said:
Point and Instinctive are the same thing by my training. More specifically / technically it's referred to as "body indexing." You're using your own body as the index for pointing / aiming the gun at the target. There is: quarter-hip, half-hip, 3/4-hip, shoulder. This was originally taught by Fairbairn & Sykes (sp?).

Unfortunately, such training is VERY scarce, not to mention frowned upon and scorned by traditionalists.
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Weaver-style aiming is going to win every time. At the range.

Under duress... whole 'nuther thing. You have to pay and most likely have to travel to get real close quarters training. All four of the methods mentioned could factor into that simulation. It's best to practice them all. Hard to do on a public range.

Gunfighting pundits, past and present, all have their own points of view and terminology. Jeff Cooper, Clint Smith, jack Weaver, Jim Cirillo, Rex Applegate, Charlie Askins, Pat Rogers, Todd Green... et al. These guys all had big personalities, expressing their opinions and described their methods in different ways.

In the end, deciding who is right or which technique is best is determined by who still has a pulse when the smoke clears :)
 
Bongo Lewi said:
It's best to practice them all. Hard to do on a public range.
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Pretty much impossible to practice on a public range. So, either you rent a private range or dry-fire practice at home... laser and laser-detecting software / camera can help.


Bongo Lewi said:
In the end, deciding who is right or which technique is best is determined by who still has a pulse when the smoke clears :)
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Yup!
 
I’m pretty sure I’ve taken the same course as Racer. Eye opening for sure. Just wish I could practice live fire with it more. My opinion is for anything under 5 yds it can’t be beat.
 
We can debate what is aiming and what isn't all day long. Doesn't matter. Winning (or more bluntly, not being the dead guy) boils down to situational awareness, speed, and shot placement.

I think I have previously mentioned a regular at my range who always shows up for matches. He's got good gear and is pretty good at match play. He goes thru this weird tai chi sort of slow motion dance as practice before his turn. Maybe this works for him but personally I think it's ridiculous. To me this method is like being an actor and rehearsing your lines. It doesn't prepare you for the real thing, should that ever occur. A defensive situation is always going to be unpredictable and a surprise. It will probably never happen when you have your race gun strapped to your thigh.

As I said, my end game is not being the dead guy. Winning a match is of little interest to me. I get more out of doing drills on my own than participating in competitions. I recently replaced my shot timer. I wore the old one out. The new one has features that make using it by yourself a lot easier. I realized quickly that I have gotten complacent and my times suck. Accuracy... no problem. Speed... too slow. I have to work on that when the weather improves.

I do the Mozambique (aka Failure to Stop) and El Presidente drills religiously. For years.

My biz partner runs everyone we hire thru the Threat Response drill, which is complicated. Basically three stages wrapped into one drill. We borrowed this method from a trainer we knew in the DC area. It is designed to mimic the response to an assault.

1. Strike the target (dummy) under the chin from one step away, retreat 2-3 steps, draw and fire two shots to the center mass.
2. Draw and land three rounds while moving laterally to the target. Draw, fire, move. repeat x3
3. Move from an exposed position to cover, draw and fire from cover.

Completing these three drills in 4-5 seconds each gets a passing grade. Three chances to make that time. It's hard.
 
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Bongo Lewi said:
I recently replaced my shot timer. I wore the old one out. The new one has features that make using it by yourself a lot easier.
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Maybe you posted elsewhere, I don't remember. Which one did you get?
 
Racer88 said:
Maybe you posted elsewhere, I don't remember. Which one did you get?
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SG Timer 2 The Best Shot Timer 2024

The features are overwhelming and I'll probably not use all of them. I like the app. I'm just now beginning to explore how to put my preferred drills into the app and have it log my results automagically. I also wear an Apple Watch , which makes it easy to get immediate results via the app without having to stop to check my phone.

I ordered the belt clip and silicone cover. The buttons failed on my original timer. They just wore out. It lasted about five years.
 
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This could have been a lot worse. Neither one of these fools should keep their badges.

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