Breaking! Don't bogart that joint, my friend...
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I miss Rodney Richpigge and Norbert the Nark.
Some of the stoners in Reactor Dept. on the IKE
had a stash of The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers
the ship's MAA's confiscated. Naval Investigative
Service (NIS now called NCIS, somewhere they added
Criminal) interviewed them with the usual threats.
Nothing happened.
This was about the time of the Beirut barracks
bombing in 1983. There was talk of busting them
and kicking them out of the Nuclear Power Program
but, "Operational Requirements" precluded that due
to the best watch rotation we had was 4 & 12's for
really senior types . I was on 6 & 6 most of that
year and finally made it to 4 & 8's by October. All
the nuc's were short staffed about that time. It's hard
to kick folks out when you're short staffed and got
nobody to draw from.
Some of the stoners in Reactor Dept. on the IKE
had a stash of The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers
the ship's MAA's confiscated. Naval Investigative
Service (NIS now called NCIS, somewhere they added
Criminal) interviewed them with the usual threats.
Nothing happened.
This was about the time of the Beirut barracks
bombing in 1983. There was talk of busting them
and kicking them out of the Nuclear Power Program
but, "Operational Requirements" precluded that due
to the best watch rotation we had was 4 & 12's for
really senior types . I was on 6 & 6 most of that
year and finally made it to 4 & 8's by October. All
the nuc's were short staffed about that time. It's hard
to kick folks out when you're short staffed and got
nobody to draw from.
"Medical Marijuana" isn't a distinction of different types of Marijuana. It's used to differentiate between Medical use and recreational use.
Where I live, Marijuana is legalized by the state for both recreational and medicinal.
We have stores for solely recreational and stores for medicinal, as well as stores that sell both.
It's all the same, except for edibles.
Medicinal edibles can contain more THC.
Also, with a medical card, you can buy more , up to 2 oz and the age is 18.
You have to be 21 for recreational weed and can only buy an ounce.
Then the rules are totally different for growing your own, as far as possession and how many plants you can have.
Also taxes are less on medical.
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Oh, I understand. I'll put it more precisely... There is no such thing as "medical use" of marijuana. They can CALL it that. But they're doing it while completely ignoring Science, medical research, AND the rigors of testing and proving the therapeutic value of ALL OTHER MEDICATIONS. Then they must determine things like dosing intervals... therapeutic dose.... max dose.... drug interactions..... contraindications.... etc.
MJ is the ONLY one that doesn't have to meet those requirements. Therefore... it ain't actual "medicine."
Medical dope has several types/groups. Some contain next to no THC and is used for the oil extract.
Treats epilepsy, Shingles, skin issues.
Its not all about the high.
Before 1920 practically every farmer/ homesteader grew some form of Hemp.
Jefferson, Franklin & Several Presidents wrote its merits.
Mixed with cement it produces a practically fire proof structure that is harder then stone and continues to harden for 100+ yrs.
Again... I'm familiar. It may be USED BY epileptics, sufferers of shingles, and all other manner of maladies. But it is NOT used to TREAT those conditions... Not by MEDICAL standards.
It makes sick people FEEL better. So what? That's not science. That's not medicine. Without having actual science behind it... it's QUACKERY.
Please show any reference to dosage, indications, warnings, etc... in the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) for MJ. There is ZERO science or peer reviewed literature on it... like ALL other therapeutic medications and treatments. Not yet. When there IS... I'll be happy to read it and acknowledge it.
I stand by my comments, specifically regarding the proper testing and proving of medications. Until any or all of the MJ products go through the SAME testing and proving that ALL other medications must meet.... It's NOT medication.
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This isn't 1980.
Here’s a link, if you'd like to update yourself.
Yes, some of the claims of the benefits of Cannabis are exaggerated and/or have no evidence to back their claims, but for pain management and several other uses there is scientific evidence and several studies to back them up.
Reclassification will make it easier to investigate other uses.
There is Science and plenty of literature on the subject.
You won't find it's indications, warnings, etc... in the PDR, because until now it was a schedule 1 drug and couldn't be prescribed.
Medical Marijuana isn't prescribed now. It is "suggested" and you're given a card or form, whatever from a medical professional that allows you to purchase Medical Marijuana.
Moving it to Schedule 3 will allow more research and eventually it will be listed in the PDR.
I'm not arguing against reclassification. I'm properly and rightfully arguing that it's NOT MEDICAL. I'll just say I'm qualified to read scientific literature.
Your linked reference does not answer the questions I posed earlier. It doesn't refute my point at all. It does NOT YET meet the CURRENT requirements to be classified as therapeutic MEDICINE. Not yet! Maybe it will. But in 2026, it STILL has not met those requirements. Never minding the "1980" jab. Dude... Please.
It has not yet met the same criteria that ALL other medications have to meet BEFORE being considered as actual medicine.
You're taking the FEDERAL Government's stance on the subject.
On this subject, as well as others, I prefer to hold with the Constitution.
The 10th amendment provides for the STATES to regulate the practice of medicine and many States have determined that there is a Medical use of Cannabis products.
I believe that the Federal Government has as much authority to regulate medicine as they do to tell me which firearms I can possess.
Nope. I'm taking the SCIENTIFIC / MEDICAL stance. It's got nothing to do with regulation. I have mixed feelings on regulation and legalization. But my objection to the "medical" label is PURELY scientific. I'm not talking about regulation. I'm talking about MEDICAL STANDARDS.
What is the dosage per kg? What is the dosing interval? What is the max dosage? What are the drug interactions? What are the contraindications? What are potential side effects? What are the black box warnings, if any?
NONE of that is documented in the PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) or equivalent source. Because nobody knows! It has not be TESTED like all other medications. And when I bring this up, MJ "advocates" change the subject (because they CAN'T counter my argument) and make it political. ^^^To wit!^^^
These are things a competent DOCTOR must know if he / she is prescribing ANY medication. They need to know those things about the medication they're prescribing. AND, they need to know what OTHER medications you're on (prescription or over-the-counter) before prescribing.... to guard against interactions. Similarly, they need to know what meds you're on in order to diagnose any current issues (side effects of current meds).
When THOSE STANDARD questions (pertaining to ANY medication) can be answered for MJ products, I'll acknowledge the claims of therapeutic value and qualification or labeling as actual medication.
PS... Getting it off the Schedule I will make it much easier to research and test it... so that the criteria I listed can be discovered, tested, verified, and worked out... to determine if it has any medical validity. I'm OK with that. But until that is all done... it's NOT medication according to medical standards.
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It has everything to do with regulation.
There are scientific studies showing the efficacy of cannabis as a medical treatment.
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®)
Cannabis has been used medicinally for millennia, but has not been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to treat any medical condition. Cannabinoids are the components in cannabis; some are commercially available to treat symptoms. Get detailed information in this clinician summary.
Frontiers | Meta-analysis of medical cannabis outcomes and associations with cancer
BackgroundGrowing bodies of evidence suggest that cannabis may play a significant role in both oncological palliative care and as a direct anticarcinogenic a...
www.frontiersin.org
There's many more.
I'm sure you can't find as many as Viagra, but changing the classification to Schedule 3 will make it easier and cheaper to conduct more tests.
There is Scientific evidence that cannibis controls pain and reduces symptoms associated with cancer.
Not being list in the PDR, is only because until now the Federal Government has said it's Bad and if you say otherwise, we can make it hard on you, because we're the Federal Government and we know what's best.
It has everything to do with regulation.
There are scientific studies showing the efficacy of cannabis as a medical treatment.
Cannabis and Cannabinoids (PDQ®)
Cannabis has been used medicinally for millennia, but has not been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to treat any medical condition. Cannabinoids are the components in cannabis; some are commercially available to treat symptoms. Get detailed information in this clinician summary.www.cancer.gov
Frontiers | Meta-analysis of medical cannabis outcomes and associations with cancer
BackgroundGrowing bodies of evidence suggest that cannabis may play a significant role in both oncological palliative care and as a direct anticarcinogenic a...
There's many more.
I'm sure you can't find as many as Viagra, but changing the classification to Schedule 3 will make it easier and cheaper to conduct more tests.
There is Scientific evidence that cannibis controls pain and reduces symptoms associated with cancer.
Not being list in the PDR, is only because until now the Federal Government has said it's Bad and if you say otherwise, we can make it hard on you, because we're the Federal Government and we know what's best.
Sorry, but I will not allow you to incorrectly implicate the basis of my position. You are simply wrong, and that's why you keep changing the subject. My position has literally nothing to do with regulation. My argument is from a medical and scientific set of STANDARDS for ALL medications. MJ has not YET met those STANDARDS.
I have agreed that moving it off Schedule I will facilitate proper research. But UNTIL the testing and proving is conducted... it's FACTUALLY not "medication." Until it has met all the SCIENTIFIC STANDARDS of medication, NOT a matter of "regulation," it does not deserve the same label and legitimacy of ALL other medications which HAVE met those standards. NOT REGULATION. That's a different subject ENTIRELY. You're making a false equivalence in order to evade addressing my MEDICAL questions.
Regulation is solely a LEGAL matter. I'm not debating that. I'm talking about the MEDICAL side of the equation.
Again.... NOBODY can answer my STANDARD questions about dosage, interactions, etc., which apply to ALL medications. They just change the subject and send me to articles that ALSO do not answer those BASIC MEDICAL questions, but rather simply review the social and cultural history of MJ usage along with ANECDOTAL reports of relief of symptoms.
It MAY (or may not) have actual medical value. But that has not been PROVEN yet with the SCIENTIFIC testing that ALL other medications must go through.
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No, I haven't been changing the subject.
There are scientific studies showing the efficacy of Cannabis as a MEDICAL treatment for certain conditions.
You on the other hand want to deny the science that does exist on the subject, because the outcomes and procedures don't comply with the Federal Government 's standards.
State Governments, which have the Constitutional authority to regulate medical standards in their own States have decided to allow Cannabis as treatment for some conditions.
The Standards you keep referring to, are the Federal Government standards.
Being classified as a Schedule 1 drug didn't allow for Cannabis to meet FEDERAL standards.
I am sure that Cannabis industry will shortly be able to comply with FEDERAL standards, but until then, the Constitution says that States can decide whether Cannabis is a medical treatment or not.
This is where it belongs. It is not a dangerous drug and likely less harmful than most things available over-the-counter.
One of my daughters has MS and uses it as suggested by her doctor. He is a respected physician with decades of experience and teaches. He must get his information somewhere in order to prescribe it. Not sure how they worked out the dosing, but I know she gets gummies.
It works well for her.
I have a couple of friends that are also combat veterans. One had bad PTSD issues until he started using cannabis. He has improved noticeably although he may never control his demons completely. Most will have some popping up from time to time, even if they are the only one that knows.
Personally, I see no reason not to continue researching cannabis. God made everything for a purpose. Native Americans used it for more than rope.
One of my daughters has MS and uses it as suggested by her doctor. He is a respected physician with decades of experience and teaches. He must get his information somewhere in order to prescribe it. Not sure how they worked out the dosing, but I know she gets gummies.
It works well for her.
I have a couple of friends that are also combat veterans. One had bad PTSD issues until he started using cannabis. He has improved noticeably although he may never control his demons completely. Most will have some popping up from time to time, even if they are the only one that knows.
Personally, I see no reason not to continue researching cannabis. God made everything for a purpose. Native Americans used it for more than rope.
The source @Racer88 used to develop his opinion on MJ... 
Full movie (1hr) HERE.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjHOBJzhb0
Full movie (1hr) HERE.View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbjHOBJzhb0
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