Flock ALPR Cameras

[no4mk1t]

These are going up at an alarming rate all over.
In the UK, a group called the "Blade Runners" have been using battery sawzalls to combat the issue.
In CA, it seems the paint ball gun is the tool of choice.

I'm just wondering if anyone remembers the opening scene in Cool Hand Luke?
Pipe cutter is a lot quieter than a sawzall...

 

[no4mk1t]

Here is a map of all the camera locations nationwide and a routing feature to avoid the cameras in case you ever rob a bank...

FlockHopper | Flock Camera Avoidance Routing

Plan routes that avoid Flock and ALPR cameras. Explore 90,000+ surveillance cameras and build privacy-first routes across the United States.

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[seniormoment]

Here is a map of all the camera locations nationwide and a routing feature to avoid the cameras in case you ever rob a bank...

FlockHopper | Flock Camera Avoidance Routing

Plan routes that avoid Flock and ALPR cameras. Explore 90,000+ surveillance cameras and build privacy-first routes across the United States.

dontgetflocked.com

Glad to see none in my neck of the woods.

 

[Bobster]

Glad to see none in my neck of the woods.

I drive by at least two on my way out of town in ANY direction. I COULD avoid them but I'm not wanted so there is that. Any detour would be at least 5min.

But it seems the scanners are ALWAYS pinching someone with resultant police chase and so on.

 

[no4mk1t]

The big issue here is privacy.
They promote these cameras as a public safety thing. Catch bad guys etc.
But we all know that if they can do something that is not intended, eventually they will.
The system is very capable of building a travel dossier on everyone.
They say the system default on saving pics is 90 days.
But each agency has the option to change that setting to indefinite if they want to.
How long do you think it will be before they start building a file on each of you?

 

[Racer88]

The big issue here is privacy.
They promote these cameras as a public safety thing. Catch bad guys etc.
But we all know that if they can do something that is not intended, eventually they will.
The system is very capable of building a travel dossier on everyone.
They say the system default on saving pics is 90 days.
But each agency has the option to change that setting to indefinite if they want to.
How long do you think it will be before they start building a file on each of you?

I don't believe there is any reasonable or legal or constitutional expectation of privacy when you're out in public. Similarly, you can't stop me from taking a photo or video of you in a public space. Similarly, we can record public officials (including police) in a public space (as long as we are not interfering with their duties).

To my knowledge there is no legal expectation of privacy when you're in a public space, which would include out on the roads.

 

[no4mk1t]

I don't believe there is any reasonable or legal or constitutional expectation of privacy when you're out in public. Similarly, you can't stop me from taking a photo or video of you in a public space. Similarly, we can record public officials (including police) in a public space (as long as we are not interfering with their duties).

To my knowledge there is no legal expectation of privacy when you're in a public space, which would include out on the roads.

It is quite a big difference between taking a random photo of you in public and having a system in place that records your every move.
They can say they are only looking for criminals now, but if the ability exists, they will eventually use it to build a file on us all. Right now, there is no legal constraint on this.

 

[Racer88]

It is quite a big difference between taking a random photo of you in public and having a system in place that records your every move.

I did a little research. Interesting... So, the difference is whether ALL your movements are recorded and pieced together (without a warrant) or it's just random short recording in various places without them being assembled into a contiguous documentation of your movement.

• United States v. Knotts (1983): Police used a beeper to track a car's movements on public roads. The Court ruled there was no reasonable expectation of privacy in movements visible on public thoroughfares, because anyone could have followed the car visually. Short-term visual or limited electronic tracking of public movements is generally allowed.
  
  
• Carpenter v. United States (2018): The Court recognized a reasonable expectation of privacy in the "whole of one's physical movements" over time, even when those movements occur entirely in public. Police obtained 127 days of historical cell-site location information (CSLI) without a warrant; the Court held this was a search requiring a warrant. Long-term, comprehensive tracking (via technology) reveals intimate details of a person's life that society deems private, even in public spaces. This case limited earlier precedents like Knotts for modern digital surveillance.